Chinese Consortium invests $400m in CFG

This is incredibly big news. The Sheikh has sold 13 % of City, lock stock and barrel. It is of course the easiest way to claw a bit of that cash back which he's spent, but I'm assuming that this will come with a big positive for City in terms of worldwide exposure. Wow. Not sure how I feel about this to be honest.
It's a step down the road towards us becoming a normal business. We should be in a position to sustain our progress.
 
No, but it could still go the way of Arsenal. That said we are still a long, long way off that kind of ownership structure, and I doubt ADUG/SM would ever want to relinquish main control.

I wouldn't be worried just yet, who ever comes in gets one seat on the board compared to the existing 6. Still won't give them final say on any direction of the club. The goals will still be the same which is world domination.
 


Simon Stone

BBC Sport

Posted at08:49
Big news coming out of Manchester City this morning with the club revealing a $400m investment from China.

I am told this should not be regarded as the start of an exit strategy from the current owners and that Sheik Mansour remains 100% committed to the club.

Love it !
 
The way I see it, it's the price he's had to pay to get the most sought after agreement in football imo. He won't have wanted to give up any of the company, but to get the backing of China's leaders then you have to give them a proper taste. With now a vested interest in CFG, they really are commited to making City the dominant force in China, which he has seen as being worth the 13%.

Exactly, he's now got state backing from a largely state run economy, he still retains full control over City with the 87% holding, just some of the profits will be heading to China now, not just Abu Dhabi.
 
This is incredibly big news. The Sheikh has sold 13 % of City, lock stock and barrel. It is of course the easiest way to claw a bit of that cash back which he's spent, but I'm assuming that this will come with a big positive for City in terms of worldwide exposure. Wow. Not sure how I feel about this to be honest.

As I read it, he claws no cash back, because the sheik hasn't sold existing shares but instead, CFG have released additional shares which the Chinese have bought, hence the money going into CFG, not the sheik's hands

The sheik's holding is therefore diluted, but the overall entity is arguably worth more with the additional investment, hence overall a neutral move for the sheik personally from a financial perspective

As for questions from others about FFP or 'what percentage of this money belongs to city' - you are barking up the wrong tree. A holding company can choose to move that money into whichever subsidiaries it wishes, be it all to Manchester city, all to NY, split across several, create a new subsidiary, keep it at group level, etc.
 
It's interesting that this is a fresh issue of shares, rather than a sale of existing shares, channelling the money into the club rather than the owner. Though the only impact on the P&L would be the annual increase of cash from any interest received from having a positive bank balance (which at £265m might hold a small amount of materiality).

Excellent move for the club though, creates a ton of positive publicity on club value, which is a big factor in benchmarking sponsorships during negotiations, and allows is to exploit a new market that already exists in bucket loads, with huge value.
 
It's a step down the road towards us becoming a normal business. We should be in a position to sustain our progress.

Yes, good point. It's a big indicator that we are on the edge of "proper" financial substainability.

What's going to happen when there's a World War, though? Might be some tension in the boardroom ;-)
 
As I read it, he claws no cash back, because the sheik hasn't sold existing shares but instead, CFG have released additional shares which the Chinese have bought, hence the money going into CFG, not the sheik's hands

The sheik's holding is therefore diluted, but the overall entity is arguably worth more with the additional investment, hence overall a neutral move for the sheik personally from a financial perspective

As for questions from others about FFP or 'what percentage of this money belongs to city' - you are barking up the wrong tree. A holding company can choose to move that money into whichever subsidiaries it wishes, be it all to Manchester city, all to NY, split across several, create a new subsidiary, keep it at group level, etc.

I didn't spot that having seen the news about 5 minutes ago and dived onto here. Will go and have a read now.
 
You can spend whatever you like on players, providing that the bottom line meets FFP. As I said in the Messi thread, our net profit in the next financial year (2016/17) could be around £70m, meaning we could buy Messi and pay his wages anyway. But we've now got the cash in the bank to do this.

But FFP forces us to "break even", so in the scenario you mention that means City would have a net spend of £70m allowed on players (obviously this is £70 amortised spending, plus wages etc, but lets not confuse the matter!). The $400m is in the bank, but as it isn't actually part of the profit/loss figures does it really matter? We could have $1Billion in cash in the bank but, as far as FFP/UEFA are concerned, we can only spend what we have earned within 1 specific financial year.

That raises another question I have wondered about. Lets say, for ease of argument, that City make a profit of £100m next year. That's £100m we can spend on players if we want. However, after purchases/sales etc we actually on spend £60m. So we finish the year with a net profit of £40m. Next financial year we make a smaller profit, £10m. Under FFP can we only spend £10 net, or can we spend £50m net, as we've got leftover profit from the previous year?
 
I didn't spot that having seen the news about 5 minutes ago and dived onto here. Will go and have a read now.

lots of people are 'misreporting' - many outlets & social media reporting that 'the sheik has sold' or 'abu dhabi have sold' instead of 'CFG have released additional equity'

As for redcafe, it's hilarious - they are in complete & utter denial
 
But FFP forces us to "break even", so in the scenario you mention that means City would have a net spend of £70m allowed on players (obviously this is £70 amortised spending, plus wages etc, but lets not confuse the matter!). The $400m is in the bank, but as it isn't actually part of the profit/loss figures does it really matter? We could have $1Billion in cash in the bank but, as far as FFP/UEFA are concerned, we can only spend what we have earned within 1 specific financial year.

That raises another question I have wondered about. Lets say, for ease of argument, that City make a profit of £100m next year. That's £100m we can spend on players if we want. However, after purchases/sales etc we actually on spend £60m. So we finish the year with a net profit of £40m. Next financial year we make a smaller profit, £10m. Under FFP can we only spend £10 net, or can we spend £50m net, as we've got leftover profit from the previous year?
Doesn't FFP work on a 3 year rolling cycle?
 
Just to clarify. We have issued shares which in accounting terms adds cash to the balance sheet but has no impact on P&L. The share have been issued by the holding company so the ownership of MCFC has changed and we are now owned as per the split above 87/13%.

The deal will have no impact on MCFC accounts and therefore no impact on MCFC FFP. It is that simple. Within groups of companies you find intercompany loans so the money could find it’s way into our accounts as a loan from the parent company and we could spend it but this would be no different to money the sheik put directly – it doesn’t change much in terms of our accounting or FFP. However it does mean that accusations of soft sponsorship going forward will be harder to justify given the multiple owners.

By my maths £265m is 13% of £2,039m. Let’s not do a rags and quote misleading or inaccurate figures. The group is valued at £2bn. Who cares how much we are worth we are top of the league and that is more important.
 
Is this a Chinese government backed company?

I could be totally wide of the mark but from a City point of view, I feel like this has very little to do with football. This feels like Abu Dhabi tapping into the huge potential of the Chinese market.

All we need now is Chinese tanks mowing down rags in Tiananmen Square.
 

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