Stop the War

[urban genie]

I remember being on strike a good few times in the late 80`s and early 90`s. The SWP turned up at the picket lines, some were nurses, some from kellogs in Trafford park, carers and office workers. I did not agree with everything they said or did, the same as other groups who turned up to show solidarity. It is a shame that you still hold sectarian views against them. Whats the point of going on a march or demonstration, if you are going to badmouth certain groups?
Solidarity from gorton.

Well the ones I encountered were knobs and I ain't sectarian about any left wing group, I just still see them thrust their version of socilism on people and are a bit dickish if you disagree, but then thats the lefts problem at times too much infighting, like how unions dislike each other at time is silly. As I said it should be a co operative of all left wing ideas collectively giving and improving, the dismissing of othwe leftish ideas is silly. I am sure their are some great swp members, I just haven't met one yet. Solidarity comrade

Btw I am a big fan of Peter krapotkin and anarcho-communism so am sometimes considered crankish too

 

[Ban-jani]

Comparing a defensive war in Europe to a bombing campaign in Syria is atrociously out of context. And the Russians beat the Germans by the way, we just defended well as any history buff will tell you.

More to the point, you've failed to address the problem here.

If bombing against IS would eliminate or lessen Islamic fascism in the region, then why has historical bombing campaigns consistently grew the membership and numbers of Islamic fascist groups?

Where did I compare the two?
I simply used it as an example to say being against all war is simply ignorant. And anyway we didn't just "defend", that's a ridiculous statement.

Sure the differences are completely poles apart from now and 1939, just as the situation we find ourselves in now is completely different to 2003, hence why all former conflicts in the region shouldn't be relied on too much to make our decisions now and being against war full stop is sadly dreaming.

This war needs to be fought on two fronts: 1) Head on military action and 2) fighting the ideology, the latter being the more difficult.

This problem will not just go away by negotiation or education, and the longer people do nothing about it, the more people will die.

 

[Damocles]

Where did I compare the two?
I simply used it as an example to say being against all war is simply ignorant. And anyway we didn't just "defend", that's a ridiculous statement.

Sure the differences are completely poles apart from now and 1939, just as the situation we find ourselves in now is completely different to 2003, hence why all former conflicts in the region shouldn't be relied on too much to make our decisions now and being against war full stop is sadly dreaming.

This war needs to be fought on two fronts: 1) Head on military action and 2) fighting the ideology, the latter being the more difficult.

This problem will not just go away by negotiation or education, and the longer people do nothing about it, the more people will die.

Can you answer this question please?

If bombing against IS would eliminate or lessen Islamic fascism in the region, then why has historical bombing campaigns consistently grew the membership and numbers of Islamic fascist groups?

 

[Bill Walker]

Why dont we (the west) just stop fucking about in other countries, I dont support my taxes being used for Aussie planes to bomb Syria

If you get rid of IS, there will be another one soon enough......all the bombs are doing is promoting hatred of the west

 

[Ban-jani]

Can you answer this question please?

If bombing against IS would eliminate or lessen Islamic fascism in the region, then why has historical bombing campaigns consistently grew the membership and numbers of Islamic fascist groups?

I did answer it. I said we shouldn't be comparing the current situation with the past as we've never had a situation in the region like this before.

Everyone IS comes across either has the chance to join or be killed, I think that has a far bigger factor in new recruits.

There was a former Jihadi on Question Time a couple of weeks ago who said people in Syria were recruited by the IS telling people the West didn't care due to our lack of intervention with Assad and they were the only ones willing to fight Assad, going off what he claims it then swings both ways.

Bombing is only the tip of the iceberg, a ground operation is also going to be needed at some point.

 

[Balti]

When the barbarians are at the gates of Beswick, they'll wave their placards saying that they asked for the war to be stopped. And two seconds later their heads will be rolling across Asda carpark.

not if we chop their shitty scummy heads off first lol

 

[johnny on the spot]

I did answer it. I said we shouldn't be comparing the current situation with the past as we've never had a situation in the region like this before.

Everyone IS comes across either has the chance to join or be killed, I think that has a far bigger factor in new recruits.

There was a former Jihadi on Question Time a couple of weeks ago who said people in Syria were recruited by the IS telling people the West didn't care due to our lack of intervention with Assad and they were the only ones willing to fight Assad, going off what he claims it then swings both ways.

Bombing is only the tip of the iceberg, a ground operation is also going to be needed at some point.

Best start polishing your boots then lad.

 

[Ban-jani]

Best start polishing your boots then lad.

My occupation isn't in the military.

However if it got to a situation, where we've been in the past, when ordinary civilians were required I'd 100% go.

 

[Ban-jani]

Examples?

The two world wars?

Had civilians not joined neither us not Russia would still be a nation.

Not that the Russians had a choice.

 

[johnny on the spot]

My occupation isn't in the military.

However if it got to a situation, where we've been in the past, when ordinary civilians were required I'd 100% go.

Apologies, edited the post to expand.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Neither would yours. On the other hand, your head would be winging it's way into the back of the Etihad net as a result of you thinking that hugging a Daesh member is the answer to all this ;)

Making things up does not advance your point, just tells me you have no further points.

 

[Damocles]

I did answer it. I said we shouldn't be comparing the current situation with the past as we've never had a situation in the region like this before.

How is the current bombing campaign different from the bombing campaign of three months ago to be so different that it's incomparable?

 

[Ban-jani]

How is the current bombing campaign different from the bombing campaign of three months ago to be so different that it's incomparable?

Well considering the bombing campaign of three months ago, which had been going on for a while before, had proved to be a success, I don't think it's wise you use Irag as an argument.

 

[Damocles]

Well considering the bombing campaign of three months ago, which had been going on for a while before, had proved to be a success, I don't think it's wise you use Irag as an argument.

How has it proven to be successful?

 

[ColinBellsjockstrap]

 

[-nibz-]

How has it proven to be successful?

Government/Media driven bollocks said so Damocles :/

 

[-nibz-]

the UN should be that. all armies disbanded and mixed into one United earth federation army all government should be merged into a collective world goverment and nations shoud be merged into one united earth.

The elephant in the thread. This is the shit we don't want.

 

[urban genie]

The elephant in the thread. This is the shit we don't want.

really why not?? would a complete lack of national pride and religious devotion, but a unified earth not be better?? but I was hardly being serious we are not star trek

 

[-nibz-]

really why not?? would a complete lack of national pride and religious devotion, but a unified earth not be better?? but I was hardly being serious we are not star trek

We haven't got any national pride. Because to be proud of this country for what ever reason automatically makes you a knuckle draggin KKK Christmas lights on your council house waste of space ****. Media driven

 

[urban genie]

We haven't got any national pride. Because to be proud of this country for what ever reason automatically makes you a knuckle draggin KKK Christmas lights on your council house waste of space ****. Media driven

I would say the shots of cumbrians having their light festival despite the government not givinf a shit about them shows a people with pride in theor comunity and could be classed as national pride, one thing us brits do well is to use a cliche keep calm and carry on.

waving a saint george and singing a shit anthem isn't showing pride in my mind going back to normal the day after a tragerdy like the recent floods, manchesters bombing, 7/7 etc show a proud nation

sorry for spellingg in big hands after watching the superb high gig at accademy so fingers are not so dexturous