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mufc1988 said:
Why would we ruin a player for whom we payed $40-50 million?
His skill sets don't match what is required in modern day attackers.
Those days of being a great assister and nothing else are over.
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Because moyes didn't have the first clue what to do with a creative player and turtle doesn't seem much better
 
mufc1988 said:
Agreed. Which is why a thorough due diligence must be done on the next appointment.
The next appointment will be the tipping point where we will either become title challengers or fighting alongside Pool, Tottenham for 4th palce.
We need a proper DOF to maintain continuity and an innovative coach to implement ideas consistent with the long term strategy.
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I hear Giggs is available.
 
karen7 said:
Because moyes didn't have the first clue what to do with a creative player and turtle doesn't seem much better
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Moyes and LVG expect their attackers to help out in defense which is a fair expectation.
JM doesn't have the fitness to maintain a high work rate to attack and defend.
To me JM was a panic buy by Moyes who thought things would turn around with a big name attacker.
Not a good purchase at all !
 
mufc1988 said:
Agreed. Which is why a thorough due diligence must be done on the next appointment.
The next appointment will be the tipping point where we will either become title challengers or fighting alongside Pool, Tottenham for 4th palce.
We need a proper DOF to maintain continuity and an innovative coach to implement ideas consistent with the long term strategy.
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Do you have anyone in mind? I personally think you need to get Giggs away from the place, as I can't see the value in him. There's no way he'll be able to bring those players into line - a Rag legend he may be, but I don't think modern day players will have the respect for him that some journalists and fans believe. Both Moyes and LVG have had problems with the playing staff (allegedly!), and Giggs must take some blame for that.

I heard someone the other day saying that LVG would have been better bringing his own backroom staff with him (van Basten was mentioned). What are your thoughts on that, and do you think it would have made a difference?
 
stony said:
I hear Giggs is available.
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If LVG gets sacked in the middle of the season with about 10-12 games left then we have nothing to lose.
I would have no issues giving Giggs till the end of the season.
If he is nothing special, I would encourage him to join another PL side as a manager to show us what he can do.
I'm still surprised he did not jump at the chance of managing Swansea.
 
mufc1988 said:
If LVG gets sacked in the middle of the season with about 10-12 games left then we have nothing to lose.
I would have no issues giving Giggs till the end of the season.
If he is nothing special, I would encourage him to join another PL side as a manager to show us what he can do.
I'm still surprised he did not jump at the chance of managing Swansea.
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Every City fan I know is praying for Wilson the snake to be your next manager.
 
malg said:
Do you have anyone in mind? I personally think you need to get Giggs away from the place, as I can't see the value in him. There's no way he'll be able to bring those players into line - a Rag legend he may be, but I don't think modern day players will have the respect for him that some journalists and fans believe. Both Moyes and LVG have had problems with the playing staff (allegedly!), and Giggs must take some blame for that.

I heard someone the other day saying that LVG would have been better bringing his own backroom staff with him (van Basten was mentioned). What are your thoughts on that, and do you think it would have made a difference?
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Here is what I posted on Giggs elsewhere:
If LVG gets sacked in the middle of the season with about 10-12 games left then we have nothing to lose.
I would have no issues giving Giggs till the end of the season.
If he is nothing special, I would encourage him to join another PL side as a manager to show us what he can do.
I'm still surprised he did not jump at the chance of managing Swansea.

The issue with Giggs is that no one actually knows what he does or what's his status with other coaches.
Does he scout opposing teams? Does he coach players? Does he make tactics?
It can be one of 2 things:
1. Moyes and LVG never wanted Giggs. He was forced on them. They don't take his advice.
This paints Giggs in a bad light in the sense that he has been unable to convince 2 coaches of his value to the backroom staff.
If he can't convince his peers, how will he convince 25 other players?
2. Giggs is an active contributor to team tactics, player analysis and transfers. LVG and Moyes take his advice seriously.
I don't want him to be the next manager then.
Either ways, he will benefit from managing elsewhere.

Moyes bought his own backroom staff and some key coaches at MU quit to join elsewhere.
Perhaps they were pushed out or left thinking that they would not progress.
That went well :)

LVG conducts all his training himself and its either his way or the highway.
I'm not sure whether the coaching staff around him matters as long as they execute what he tells them.
Don't think backroom staff would make a difference.
 
stony said:
Every City fan I know is praying for Wilson the snake to be your next manager.
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I didn't understand your reference "Wilson the Snake".
Having said that, any permanent managerial decision should be postponed till the end of the season.

After all, PEP GUARDIOLA is yet to sign for City !!!
 
mufc1988 said:
The Arabs are betting on the fact that:
1. Oil prices will remain high (oil prices have collapsed by over 50% since January 2014).
2. Their regime won't collapse (There was an unsuccessful Arab spring, people remain dissatisfied).
3. They can use their influence to inflate Sponsorship deals.
4. Even if points 1, 2 and 3 turn out to be wrong bets then by that time City would have been sustainable.
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mufc1988 said:
Disclaimer:
1. I have never lived in any part of the Arab world and my knowledge is solely on the basis of what I have read in financial newspapers/magazines or what people from there have told me.
2. I am not saying that your owners are bad.
My understanding is that their investments have led to a lot of jobs in the Manchester area and for that they should be applauded. They have also been good for football by making it more competitive.
I am only commenting on risk and sustainability.
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