Club Badge (merged)

coleridge said:
With respect, the city has not moved as so if it was geographically in Lancashire before the GMC was formed, then it still is now. It's fairly basic logic. I don't know why so many people struggle with the concept. I am Mancunian, Lancastrian, English and British. I am not sure what is difficult to understand and accept about that. I have spent most of my life [from birth] in West Didsbury. It's always been in Lancashire and not Cheshire, for example. Anyway, I have enough of this. You can all believe what you want.
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Lancashire is an arbitrary county created by the ruling powere of the day. Just as Greater Manchester is an area created by the ruling powers of it's day. There's no difference.

People seem to think Lancashire is an area that is set in stone by god, never to be altered. It's a dangerous viewpoint to have, and there are many conflicts around the world based on this flawed belief.

Unless cut off by water, all borders, countries, regions, etc are imaginary borders drawn up by human beings to help to administer and rule a certain area. Manchester as a city used to be included in an area the ruling human beings at the time called Lancashire. The ruling human beings now determine it is no longer in Lancashire, I don't understand why some people have such a hard time accepting that.

Manchester is not in Lancashire anymore. No matter how much that upsets some people, it's simply a fact.

The rose being on the badge is fine, it represents our history. But the fact remains, Manchester is no longer in Lancashire, and most likely never will be again.
 
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Shaelumstash said:
Lancashire is an arbitrary county created by the ruling powere of the day. Just as Greater Manchester is an area created by the ruling powers of it's day. There's no difference.

People seem to think Lancashire is an area that is set in stone by god, never to be altered. It's a dangerous viewpoint to have, and there are many conflicts around the world based on this flawed belief.

Unless cut off by water, all borders, countries, regions, etc are imaginary borders drawn up by human beings to help to administer and rule a certain area. Manchester as a city used to be included in an area the ruling human beings at the time called Lancashire. The ruling human beings now determine it is no longer in Lancashire, I don't understand why some people have such a hard time accepting that.

Manchester is not in Lancashire anymore. No matter how much that upsets some people, it's simply a fact.

The rose being on the badge is fine, it represents our history. But the fact remains, Manchester is no longer in Lancashire, and most likely never will be

again.
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If you keep banging on about it someone will eventually take notice of you, if people from Manchester or wherever want to call themselves Lancastrian it's their choice
 
Shaelumstash said:
I've just had to google Palatine and Duchy as I keep seeing them mentioned. It seems to be an area controlled by an Earl, or some other member of the Royal family.

Not wishing to get political with any Daily Mailers, but the Royal family has absolutely relevance to me or to the way Manchester is governed. The Earl or Duchy or whatever has absolutely no powers or influence over Manchester whatsoever. They have as much influence in 2016 Manchester as Romans or Druids.
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The druids are very influential round these parts I tell yer..
 
I know its all been said about the new badge but has the size of it on the new kit been mentioned I for one don't want a big badge like utd have it looks crap on the replica shirts
also would like us to keep the old badge on the new shirt just a small badge under the back collar something like this. it would keep a small reminder of what we won in them golden years at the Etihad

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Shaelumstash said:
I've just had to google Palatine and Duchy as I keep seeing them mentioned. It seems to be an area controlled by an Earl, or some other member of the Royal family.

Not wishing to get political with any Daily Mailers, but the Royal family has absolutely relevance to me or to the way Manchester is governed. The Earl or Duchy or whatever has absolutely no powers or influence over Manchester whatsoever. They have as much influence in 2016 Manchester as Romans or Druids.
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If it does nothing other than give us justification for using a symbol for a neighbouring county that some people feel attached to, that's fine by me. As I was born in Preston, maybe I'm a bit biased.
 
Shaelumstash said:
Lancashire is an arbitrary county created by the ruling powere of the day. Just as Greater Manchester is an area created by the ruling powers of it's day. There's no difference.

People seem to think Lancashire is an area that is set in stone by god, never to be altered. It's a dangerous viewpoint to have, and there are many conflicts around the world based on this flawed belief.

Unless cut off by water, all borders, countries, regions, etc are imaginary borders drawn up by human beings to help to administer and rule a certain area. Manchester as a city used to be included in an area the ruling human beings at the time called Lancashire. The ruling human beings now determine it is no longer in Lancashire, I don't understand why some people have such a hard time accepting that.

Manchester is not in Lancashire anymore. No matter how much that upsets some people, it's simply a fact.

The rose being on the badge is fine, it represents our history. But the fact remains, Manchester is no longer in Lancashire, and most likely never will be again.
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I am a Lancastrian, It's a fact.

Wilf and you can carry on your bizarre 'lessons of history' discussion but not on my time, mate.
 
Why is this still being argued? Lancashire ends at the mersey border, below is cheshire, that is the border. Does it matter if you consider yourself Greater Mancunian, Lancastrian or from Cheshire the fact remains the Rose is part of the history of the City of Manchester and from a previous badge so it has meaning.

I am a proud Manc and Lancastrian. if the badge didn't have the rose it would not bother me like having it on before never bothered City fans from far and wide.
 
urban genie said:
Why is this still being argued? Lancashire ends at the mersey border, below is cheshire, that is the border. Does it matter if you consider yourself Greater Mancunian, Lancastrian or from Cheshire the fact remains the Rose is part of the history of the City of Manchester and from a previous badge so it has meaning.

I am a proud Manc and Lancastrian. if the badge didn't have the rose it would not bother me like having it on before never bothered City fans from far and wide.
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Hear hear.
 
urban genie said:
Why is this still being argued? Lancashire ends at the mersey border, below is cheshire, that is the border. Does it matter if you consider yourself Greater Mancunian, Lancastrian or from Cheshire the fact remains the Rose is part of the history of the City of Manchester and from a previous badge so it has meaning.

I am a proud Manc and Lancastrian. if the badge didn't have the rose it would not bother me like having it on before never bothered City fans from far and wide.
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Finally! Sanity reigns.
 
Whilst this is a forum for issues and stuff to be discussed, this one is not going anywhere.
urban genie said:
Why is this still being argued? Lancashire ends at the mersey border, below is cheshire, that is the border. Does it matter if you consider yourself Greater Mancunian, Lancastrian or from Cheshire the fact remains the Rose is part of the history of the City of Manchester and from a previous badge so it has meaning.

I am a proud Manc and Lancastrian. if the badge didn't have the rose it would not bother me like having it on before never bothered City fans from far and wide.
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I'd agree with that. Think this discussion has run its course, agree to disagree and all that.
 
urban genie said:
Why is this still being argued? Lancashire ends at the mersey border, below is cheshire, that is the border. Does it matter if you consider yourself Greater Mancunian, Lancastrian or from Cheshire the fact remains the Rose is part of the history of the City of Manchester and from a previous badge so it has meaning.

I am a proud Manc and Lancastrian. if the badge didn't have the rose it would not bother me like having it on before never bothered City fans from far and wide.
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Ultimately you're right it doesn't really matter if you consider yourself Greater Mancunian, Lancastrian or from Cheshire. As HellYeah has said let's agree to disagree.

What should we argue about next?
 
Well lets see what can be argued about--- FC or no FC -- Done
Rose -- Done
Is the ship in the ocean or a canal -- Done
Our origins date -- Done

Well all that's left is the font colour and the piping
 
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