West Ham post game....

grim up north said:
Let's just agree to disagree you blame the manager solely I blame the players to a degree and the manager to a degree
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Sure. I don't think we disagree that much to be honest. I agree with you that the players were well off form - in fact in the first 30 seconds I thought here we go, this going to be a interesting night. But my view is that it's the manager's responsibility to get the most out of his players. When you have one or two players having an off game, then fair enough, shit happens. But when you have multiple,top class players, international players, some world class players, playing well below their best <cough> for months... Then the manager has to take the blame for this.
 
pride in battle said:
KDB was poor but David was absolute dire, the worst I've ever seen him play?
Manuel has to take a lot of responsibility, the formation wasn't working and yet he sits there and does nothing?? A young lad at right back making his debut & we didn't exploit him? Manuels a nice bloke but tactics wise he's a fucking dinosaur...
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With over 150 appearances in the championship
 
Eccles Blue said:
Thought that might be it Karen, as you know I am a fan of Mr Pellegrini but he either has a blind spot where Toure is concerned or he has instructions to keep playing him. I hope it is the former because if it were the latter it would mean that he (Mr P) is not running the team.
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The problem with Karen's comment is this: Poor compared to whom? Delph? Silva? DeBryune? There were 5 mids, and only Navas was marginally better than Yaya.
I know Delph has a reputation for being a hustler. A well deserved reputation, I might add. But he spent considerable portions of the game upfield leaving Yaya ( the supposed lazy one, chasing players down) Valencia on the right corner, Payer down the middle, Byram o n the left, Kouyote slide tackle that almost injured him. Counless defensive headers on their corner kicks. It takes a considerable amount of partial viewing to claim Yaya deserved being pulled today. There were many who were far worse

Yet the story stays the same, 'Get Yaya off!' Its frankly boring to hear.
 
cleavers said:
Me too, he made a poor effort in the first minute though, so I can understand people getting on his back, other than that I thought he was OK, he headed at least 4 crosses/corners away that most won't have noticed, more than either CB, and Otamendi's defending of the throw in was almost child like. I thought Delph was OK, he was constantly driving us forward, but others around him weren't on form either.
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I posted a lot earlier my thoughts and Yaya is doomed with the majority of our fans now it seems, they arent objective about it, they just blame him for everything.
 
itisrising said:
What exactly was the story then? You're making up your own narrative. De Bruyne had 60 touches of the ball while Silva had just 4 more. Moreover, Silva had 75% pass success. For all the criticism KDB gets about his passing, how can you oversight Dave's terrible passing tonight.

And no, Silva didn't work his socks off. You can't claim Kevin hid when he works arguably the hardest in our side and covers the most ground per minutes of any of our players. Kevin wasn't particularly great but Silva was woeful yet because of the affinity to him, you'll ignore it and attack Kev. I'm sure Dave will bounce back but attacking Kev is just absurd.
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de Bruyne played further wide so has to cover more ground to help the full back out and passing stats don't tell you where any of the passes were. Silva was in the thick of it centrally and was very poor but had good movement all game and was starting to get a grip just as Iheanacho came on. de Bruyne had lots and lots of passes back to Sagna that did nothing and put the odd cross in that found our men a few times in the game and that is literally all he did in 90minutes.
 
Dax777 said:
The problem with Karen's comment is this: Poor compared to whom? Delph? Silva? DeBryune? There were 5 mids, and only Navas was marginally better than Yaya.
I know Delph has a reputation for being a hustler. A well deserved reputation, I might add. But he spent considerable portions of the game upfield leaving Yaya ( the supposed lazy one, chasing players down) Valencia on the right corner, Payer down the middle, Byram o n the left, Kouyote slide tackle that almost injured him. Counless defensive headers on their corner kicks. It takes a considerable amount of partial viewing to claim Yaya deserved being pulled today. There were many who were far worse

Yet the story stays the same, 'Get Yaya off!' Its frankly boring to hear.
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He was bad compared to himself,no need to compare him with anyone,watch the game again before spouting rubbish
 
Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
I posted a lot earlier my thoughts and Yaya is doomed with the majority of our fans now it seems, they arent objective about it, they just blame him for everything.
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ultimately Paul we could be seeing the reason Pep sold Yaya in terms of contribution in midfield....and this may be why Yaya's agent is spouting anti-Pep shite. Don't get me wrong yaya ha been an awesome player but maybe pep recognised this flaw years ago ?
 
Watching MOTD and wtf was that defending for their second? School boy stuff. But we deserved the point overall.
 
Just seen that second West Ham goal. Absolutely disgraceful that we can concede a goal like that.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
He started poorly but wasnt totally to blame for the first goal. It was just poor team defending. After that he was very useful because without his height in the box and the height of Sagna we would have been in trouble. A team of midgets is not going to beat West Ham away. I thought he was ok today. Not great but not the worst city player on the pitch.
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You Sir, clearly watched the game. Some here mustcspend so much energy moaning that they often forget to actually watch the game. It's annoying.

The first goal was mostly on Otamendi. Yaya actually was OK, he got caught on the back foot cause he showed Kouyate the line and not the middle, Otamendi should have held his position but instead tried to anticipate a pass, and was going to intercept it, which left him out of position when Yaya for beat, then Delph who was on Valencia, fell asleep and let him get to the cross.

Of the 3 Yaya was least culpable. Bad team defending agreed. But the moment it involves Yaya, you know the facts stops mattering, just the moan. From that point on, every good thing he did was ignored. Get him off, get him off! Was all that could be read on the game thread. Pretty sad really.
 
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