West Ham post game....

stonerblue said:
No surprise that this thread is twice as long as the ones we have when we win. Seems people would rather moan than congratulate the team.
A tough away game where the hosts haven't been beaten in 5 months was never gonna be a piece of piss so why expect us to roll them over?
We came from behind twice and then tried to win the game which to me shows we have the desire and bottle required to get something out of games like yesterdays, and a bit more besides.
Three points off top spot and all still to play for seems far from the 'disaster' many of our less positive members are whining about.
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Couldn't have put it better myself.
 
defensive fuck ups are costing us, that 2nd goal was a fucking disgrace, how the fuck can you concede a goal like that and hope to win anything, absolutely fucking outrageous defending by ottamendi .
 
stonerblue said:
No surprise that this thread is twice as long as the ones we have when we win. Seems people would rather moan than congratulate the team.
A tough away game where the hosts haven't been beaten in 5 months was never gonna be a piece of piss so why expect us to roll them over?
We came from behind twice and then tried to win the game which to me shows we have the desire and bottle required to get something out of games like yesterdays, and a bit more besides.
Three points off top spot and all still to play for seems far from the 'disaster' many of our less positive members are whining about.
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Well said mate. Spot on.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Basics they teach school kids not being applied. If your a centre half never let the ball bounce.
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Irrespective still think Joe should have been off his line much quicker. To allow that ball to come into his six yard box when he had so much time to see it was criminal Imo. Not saying Otamendi couldn't have done better but if Joe reacts the goal doesn't happen. But the pundits didn't say that so of course no one will agree....
 
Stretch said:
Yaya is a fucking disgrace!! End of errand!!!! Pelligrini is a fucking disgrace for continuously playing out of form players(Yaya, KDB, Navas, Cliché) Our centre halves are one huge joke! Why the hell won't he give youth a chance? Sick to fucking death of games drifting on by which we didn't win..yet with a bit of nouse,better team selection and good management, we could of won! How the fuck we are where we are in the league is a fucking mystery with this clown in charge.
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You missed out Silva in out of form players .
 
Proy said:
That's another one of those little stats that often go under the radar. There are plenty of them and they have all crept in under Manuel.

At the moment people will use the argument that we are in the thick of a title fight and still in 4 competitions. That is true, but the wheels will come off this place as soon as we exit a couple of competitions and are still flattering to decisive in the title race.

This is no longer about 'let's sack the manager', 'this players shit', 'that players shit'. It's about having the common sense and the foresight to see that we are simply not playing well enough to win any trophy as we stand. Every man can see it.

That we have somehow gone backwards in the last 2 years is indeed inept management when you look at the quality we have added to this squad. I blame Pelligrini for that. He isn't getting the maximum from this team, not in a month of Sunday's and nobody will convince me otherwise
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But who is playing well enough? For some reason every team out plays other teams this season, Look at Stoke getting rolled over by Leicester yesterday, they were very good against us. Liverpool v us and then rags. It's a mad league this year, we are still in it with out of form players and injuries. Frustrating as it is this season is not over.
 
proachy said:
His case file is very thick yes and understandably so. He does make many mistakes but to keep calling for his head is just wrong. Personally I thought the first sub yesterday should have been Silva, he got that wrong in my opinion. However, he's the manager, he makes the decisions and for that I will back him. At the end of this season it looks like changes are coming, but for now Manuel is our man and we have a team that battles. Just get fed up with the sack him get him out brigade.
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this .the manager is going nowhere untill the end of season,whats the alternative?
 
richards30 said:
Fernando came on yesterday and in that short space of time looked by far the worst player on the pitch! I like txiki but fucking hell some of his player recruitment has been appalling!
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The way he got beaten for pace by Alex Song, who isn't exactly a speed demon, after playing 90 minutes, was alarming.

He looked quite quick at the start of the season too.
 
stonerblue said:
No surprise that this thread is twice as long as the ones we have when we win. Seems people would rather moan than congratulate the team.
A tough away game where the hosts haven't been beaten in 5 months was never gonna be a piece of piss so why expect us to roll them over?
We came from behind twice and then tried to win the game which to me shows we have the desire and bottle required to get something out of games like yesterdays, and a bit more besides.
Three points off top spot and all still to play for seems far from the 'disaster' many of our less positive members are whining about.
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You mention it's a tough away game and it is so then why did we start with a team so attacking with a lack of balance away from home then? Playing two midfielders who aren't renowned for being disciplined defensively.

I can accept us coming from behind and we did well to do it but I'm sick of us always playing catch up when we're up against us. How about we start positively for once.

The shape of the team that was setup against Sevilla away was perfect and had the correct balance and cover in midfield, but in the league we setup as if we can just go out and take them apart with full of attacking players with no balance.

You just can't do that in this league and our record away from home is abysmal and he needs to address it.
 
mansour's tow ropes said:
The way he got beaten for pace by Alex Song, who isn't exactly a speed demon, after playing 90 minutes, was alarming.
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I sat watching and that was the exact same thing that crossed my mind. Its not just him though as week after week we are literally out run and out muscled it seems by athletes whilst our lot look like they are running in mud.

Its a real worry.
 
I didn't think the Fernando sub was that bad in itself. We had no one in front of the back four and risked losing the game as much as winning it. But it's the thinking that left us short in the first place that annoyed me. He put Iheanacho on for Delph, who was providing some cover, yet left Silva and De Bruyne on, both of who had been completely ineffectual. That left Yaya as the only midfielder who might have provided some defensive cover but that's just not his game. Had he taken KDB off it wouldn't have altered the defensive shape at all. Yet after two changes he then realised that Song had the run of midfield and was a danger to the chance of us getting anything out of the game so had to counter it. But if he hadn't cocked up hi subs in the first place he wouldn't have needed to do that.

I actually believe he's costing us points and that we'd be better off getting rid and letting Kidd and the players run things for the rest of the season. They all look completely pissed off with him.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I didn't think the Fernando sub was that bad in itself. We had no one in front of the back four and risked losing the game as much as winning it. But it's the thinking that left us short in the first place that annoyed me. He put Iheanacho on for Delph, who was providing some cover, yet left Silva and De Bruyne on, both of who had been completely ineffectual. That left Yaya as the only midfielder who might have provided some defensive cover but that's just not his game. Had he taken KDB off it wouldn't have altered the defensive shape at all. Yet after two changes he then realised that Song had the run of midfield and was a danger to the chance of us getting anything out of the game so had to counter it. But if he hadn't cocked up hi subs in the first place he wouldn't have needed to do that.

I actually believe he's costing us points and that we'd be better off getting rid and letting Kidd and the players run things for the rest of the season. They all look completely pissed off with him.
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I agree his head is scrambled if we are out of the cup come Wednesday night we should get rid just to shake up the club and the players for the last 15 premier games and champs league.
 
blueinsa said:
I sat watching and that was the exact same thing that crossed my mind. Its not just him though as week after week we are literally out run and out muscled it seems by athletes whilst our lot look like they are running in mud.

Its a real worry.
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Definitely, I think Fernando is far from good enough in any department, but poor fitness is a problem throughout the team, both not having the stamina to over 90 minutes or the sharpness over the first 5 yards. Or just not being fit to step on the pitch in the first place!

The biggest fitness mismatch of the season has to be at the Emirates, they were so much quicker and more energetic, like they really wanted it, and that's why I think they will win the league.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I didn't think the Fernando sub was that bad in itself. We had no one in front of the back four and risked losing the game as much as winning it. But it's the thinking that left us short in the first place that annoyed me. He put Iheanacho on for Delph, who was providing some cover, yet left Silva and De Bruyne on, both of who had been completely ineffectual. That left Yaya as the only midfielder who might have provided some defensive cover but that's just not his game. Had he taken KDB off it wouldn't have altered the defensive shape at all. Yet after two changes he then realised that Song had the run of midfield and was a danger to the chance of us getting anything out of the game so had to counter it. But if he hadn't cocked up hi subs in the first place he wouldn't have needed to do that.

I actually believe he's costing us points and that we'd be better off getting rid and letting Kidd and the players run things for the rest of the season. They all look completely pissed off with him.
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Problem is if MP goes then so will Kidd
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I didn't think the Fernando sub was that bad in itself. We had no one in front of the back four and risked losing the game as much as winning it. But it's the thinking that left us short in the first place that annoyed me. He put Iheanacho on for Delph, who was providing some cover, yet left Silva and De Bruyne on, both of who had been completely ineffectual. That left Yaya as the only midfielder who might have provided some defensive cover but that's just not his game. Had he taken KDB off it wouldn't have altered the defensive shape at all. Yet after two changes he then realised that Song had the run of midfield and was a danger to the chance of us getting anything out of the game so had to counter it. But if he hadn't cocked up hi subs in the first place he wouldn't have needed to do that.

I actually believe he's costing us points and that we'd be better off getting rid and letting Kidd and the players run things for the rest of the season. They all look completely pissed off with him.
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You have called the changes spot on.

Big call to turf him right now though mate but yesterday saw several players looking disinterested for large parts and lacking any belief in what they where being asked to do.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I didn't think the Fernando sub was that bad in itself. We had no one in front of the back four and risked losing the game as much as winning it. But it's the thinking that left us short in the first place that annoyed me. He put Iheanacho on for Delph, who was providing some cover, yet left Silva and De Bruyne on, both of who had been completely ineffectual. That left Yaya as the only midfielder who might have provided some defensive cover but that's just not his game. Had he taken KDB off it wouldn't have altered the defensive shape at all. Yet after two changes he then realised that Song had the run of midfield and was a danger to the chance of us getting anything out of the game so had to counter it. But if he hadn't cocked up hi subs in the first place he wouldn't have needed to do that.

I actually believe he's costing us points and that we'd be better off getting rid and letting Kidd and the players run things for the rest of the season. They all look completely pissed off with him.
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It's sad that a manager, having been here 2 and a half years, is still scared of making the correct sub in case he upsets some players. Taking Delph off was just the "easy" option and completely wrong, plus if Dinho fit enough to be on the bench then he should have utilised him in that last 20 instead of fucking Fernando.
 
Blue Mooner said:
Irrespective still think Joe should have been off his line much quicker. To allow that ball to come into his six yard box when he had so much time to see it was criminal Imo. Not saying Otamendi couldn't have done better but if Joe reacts the goal doesn't happen. But the pundits didn't say that so of course no one will agree....
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It's so frustrating when we should be getting consistency going and stringing wins together that the concentration is where it should be. Both really soft goals that could have been avoided.
 
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