It's not Pellers..It's not even the team..

CC1 said:
My post was merely an acknowledgment of the previous poster's point that we have been affected by injuries - long term injuries - to key players. Indeed, even the press "league table " of injuries had us as number one.
I'm not interested in responding to you aggressive post because you clearly have other axes to grind relating to your hatred of our current manager. I was not referring to his performance per se. However I do actually think it has affected his options if you are interested in my opinion
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I don't hate him I just think he is a terrible manager, if you actually look back some of our best runs have been when injuries have limited his options, options are good in the hands of the right person, it is a sad state of affairs when you need certain players injured just so pellekeegan can't pick them

The injuries to kompany and aguero are the only ones that have affected us and as they have a history of being injury prone using it as an excuse doesn't cut the mustard
 
hgblue said:
It's a classic case of more than one thing being true at the same time. Have we suffered with injuries? Yes. Does this absolve the manager of blame? No.
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It doesn't absolve tha manager from all blame: he has made too many decisions that have proved to wrong - although not all those were unreasonable decisions when made but his job is to make the right ones more often than not. His general approach is also open to question and I would prefer much more focus on specific plans to deal with each opponent, which will come next season. However, injuries have made his life so much more difficult.
 
OB1 said:
You are right, it a whole load of things but it is easiest just to blame the clown and the fat lazy bastard.

I have just started to read Pep Confidential, a book I long intended to buy if and when Pep agreed to come to City. One thing that I found interesting was not directly about Pep but about research on recovery from games and the difficulty faced by big teams that frequently play every three days. As I read it, it made me more convinced than ever that injuries have been a major problem and led to us overplaying some players, affecting both form and susceptibility to injury. The question then is, have City done everything they could to avoid problems?
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The answer is no. Going forward it has to be first team squad for the league and CL and the EDS and the rest given the task of getting as far as they can in the domestic cups and gaining experience.

Our issue as a fan base with that is we are all essentially traditional and we love the domestic cups and any semblance of us looking to fuck them off has folk frothing at the mouth.

Going forward though it has to change.
 
Danamy said:
If you want to use the word dropped then yeah but not only Spuds a Cup Final and Champs League to boot.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this as I can see you're going down the Fifa everyone plays every week if fit ignoring injuries and upcoming competitions route
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Rotation is necessary but I would mention two things. We were playing the top of the league yesterday and as the most important game of the season so far maybe this wasn't the game to do it especially against such a quick team, secondly why rotate two quick fullbacks for two slow ones? He could mix and match its not against the rules

Pellekeegan even his rotation doesn't make much sense
 
hgblue said:
It's a classic case of more than one thing being true at the same time. Have we suffered with injuries? Yes. Does this absolve the manager of blame? No.
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I've been going on about prevention of injury all season & decided early doors I've had enough of this bloke because he's a fucking idiot.

There is a thread on here regarding DeBruyne where I lambasted Pellegrini for overplaying him & got slaughtered for it. That was early season. He was clearly doing too much, you could see it. His form went almost immediately but apparently that was a coincidence.

Silva has just gone, again. Does anyone think Silva has looked fit ? He's been fucking playing though.

All we need to do, to evaluate this fucking waste of space, is look at Negredo, playing in a Cup semi 2nd leg when we are winning by a fucking cricket score & don't need him. DeBruyne still played some in the League Cup v Palace when he was clearly desperately in need of a rest.

That's Pellegrini.
 
OB1 said:
You are right, it a whole load of things but it is easiest just to blame the clown and the fat lazy bastard.

I have just started to read Pep Confidential, a book I long intended to buy if and when Pep agreed to come to City. One thing that I found interesting was not directly about Pep but about research on recovery from games and the difficulty faced by big teams that frequently play every three days. As I read it, it made me more convinced than ever that injuries have been a major problem and led to us overplaying some players, affecting both form and susceptibility to injury. The question then is, have City done everything they could to avoid problems?
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Bang on
 
OB1 said:
It doesn't absolve tha manager from all blame: he has made too many decisions that have proved to wrong - although not all those were unreasonable decisions when made but his job is to make the right ones more often than not. His general approach is also open to question and I would prefer much more focus on specific plans to deal with each opponent, which will come next season. However, injuries have made his life so much more difficult.
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I think most would agree with this. I do believe going forward that a policy decision needs to be made about the priority afforded to domestic cup competitions. Trying to compete in all competitions could end up costing us in the competitions we would consider a higher priority. Personally, and I know this wouldn't be popular with most fans, I'd use the domestic cups to aid youth development, and ensure the first team squad is fully focused on the League and Champs League.
 
Danamy said:
It just goes to prove that the players available to him aren't good enough then.
I said earlier in the week that i'm amazed how we're still fighting on all four fronts with the defence we've got.
To go the rest of the season having to play a 35 year old as centre half, left back that can't defend with no pace and a right back in decline then we will be doing well to make top 4 to be honest.
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Don't agree mate.
If you're having to play a 35 year old centre half then don't expose him defensively by playing a non existent midfield and playing a high line so that the back four are constantly running back like blue arsed flies every time our opponents counter.
Study the opposition. Every team we play has their game of the season,not because they raise their game, it's just that we're so easy to play against.
Don't play Ya Ya in a midfield two against a Juergen Klopp dipper side who then floodthe midfield with six runners/ grafters.
When you're playing Leicester don't put out a side that plays to their strengths - two slow full backs and a high line.
Here's a thought -could we have played Sagna as a third centre back to help out DM and Otamendi? Did we study Huth's header against Spurs, should Joe have taken more responsibility at that corner? Are these options being considered?
Why play Ya Ya all the time from the start rather than bring him on later as an impact sub? Both him and Kolarov ( full back issue ,see above)were culpable in the build up to Leicester's first goal.
I could go on - did I mention Milner and Fernando in a midfield two against Barcelona last year?
 
blueinsa said:
The answer is no. Going forward it has to be first team squad for the league and CL and the EDS and the rest given the task of getting as far as they can in the domestic cups and gaining experience.

Our issue as a fan base with that is we are all essentially traditional and we love the domestic cups and any semblance of us looking to fuck them off has folk frothing at the mouth.

Going forward though it has to change.
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That is a fair point and it will be interesting to see what happens next year: Pep does not like to lose but English teams play too many games and do not have a winter break. Much as I now want to win the LC again, I'd have the tournament scrapped tomorrow. I'd also reduce the size of the EPL and introduce a winter break straight after 1 Jan. I'd also have teams play Boxing Day but cancel games on the nearest Saturday unless, perhaps, Boxing Day is a Tuesday or Wednesday.
 
hgblue said:
I think most would agree with this. I do believe going forward that a policy decision needs to be made about the priority afforded to domestic cup competitions. Trying to compete in all competitions could end up costing us in the competitions we would consider a higher priority. Personally, and I know this wouldn't be popular with most fans, I'd use the domestic cups to aid youth development, and ensure the first team squad is fully focused on the League and Champs League.
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I'd definitely start to play the kids in the League Cup.
 
OB1 said:
That is a fair point and it will be interesting to see what happens next year: Pep does not like to lose but English teams play too many games and do not have a winter break. Much as I now want to win the LC again, I'd have the tournament scrapped tomorrow. I'd also reduce the size of the EPL and introduce a winter break straight after 1 Jan. I'd also have teams play Boxing Day but cancel games on the nearest Saturday unless, perhaps, Boxing Day is a Tuesday or Wednesday.
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All fair opinion mate and very much up for discussion as he modern game evolves but the dinosaurs that are the FA and PL and us fans seemingly don't.
 
hilts said:
Rotation is necessary but I would mention two things. We were playing the top of the league yesterday and as the most important game of the season so far maybe this wasn't the game to do it especially against such a quick team, secondly why rotate two quick fullbacks for two slow ones? He could mix and match its not against the rules

Pellekeegan even his rotation doesn't make much sense
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That's a fair point but next week against Spuds is important along with the Champs League the following week, along with the Cup Final the following week, along with the dippers away the following week, it goes on.

I'm not complaining, it comes with success and something we need to get used to but going full circle our ridiculous injury count this season certainly hasn't helped the situation.
 
hilts said:
I don't hate him I just think he is a terrible manager, if you actually look back some of our best runs have been when injuries have limited his options, options are good in the hands of the right person, it is a sad state of affairs when you need certain players injured just so pellekeegan can't pick them

The injuries to kompany and aguero are the only ones that have affected us and as they have a history of being injury prone using it as an excuse doesn't cut the mustard
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The injury to KDB is season changing. Most assists @ goals scored???
 
If people can't see that it's predominantly this joke of a manager, not the injuries, then there's no hope for them. The injuries make it more difficult of course they do, but we'd still be paying zero attention to our opposition, we'd still be shambolic off the ball, we'd still be boring and predictable in attack, we'd still be woefully easy to play against. All of this is down to Pellegrini, not the injury Gods.
 
hgblue said:
I do believe going forward that a policy decision needs to be made about the priority afforded to domestic cup competitions.
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Continental clubs see their domestic cups as something of a mere bagatelle compared to the serious silverware that we are in competition for ie the domestic championship and the premier league. I can see the new regime reflecting this in team selections.
 
Len Rum said:
Don't agree mate.
If you're having to play a 35 year old centre half then don't expose him defensively by playing a non existent midfield and playing a high line so that the back four are constantly running back like blue arsed flies every time our opponents counter.
Study the opposition. Every team we play has their game of the season,not because they raise their game, it's just that we're so easy to play against.
Don't play Ya Ya in a midfield two against a Juergen Klopp dipper side who then floodthe midfield with six runners/ grafters.
When you're playing Leicester don't put out a side that plays to their strengths - two slow full backs and a high line.
Here's a thought -could we have played Sagna as a third centre back to help out DM and Otamendi? Did we study Huth's header against Spurs, should Joe have taken more responsibility at that corner? Are these options being considered?
Why play Ya Ya all the time from the start rather than bring him on later as an impact sub? Both him and Kolarov ( full back issue ,see above)were culpable in the build up to Leicester's first goal.
I could go on - did I mention Milner and Fernando in a midfield two against Barcelona last year?
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It also puzzles me how we're still fighting on 4 fronts fella ; -)
 
I think the injuries to Kevin and Navas has severely reduced our options. This may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

I wouldn't mind the midfield not helping the defence if they flooded the opposition box when we attacked, but they don't do that either, not even when we were chasing goals yesterday. So many crosses across the goal this season without a blue shirt in sight.

I just hope we win the Cap cup so that Pelli goes with something, at least.
 
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