Injuries, misinformation, and the probable cause

[tiggsywiggsywoo]

Another theory is the more pissed off you are at work, the more time you are likely to be off sick.....just a thought from outside the box.

 

[LHarper]

If it is not luck then Pellegrini must have worked wonders last year when we had one of the best injury records in the league losing only 630 days compared to 9 clubs who lost over 1,000 with Newcastle at the top of the list with 1,871 days lost. Sounds like good and bad luck to me.

Another way to look at it is not as separate seasons but as one time period (i.e., his tenure with City).

Also, maybe he's changed some of his training methods this season? Speculative, I know.

 

[pardoeofftomexico]

For 2013-14 and 2014-15 combined Chelsea had the best record with only 984 days lost. Southampton were second best at 1,490 days and City third best at 1,559 days. 7 teams lost over 2,000 days with the worse two being Arsenal and Newcastle on 3,182 and 3,174 respectively.

So City's record before this season was excellent.

 

[Centurions]

For 2013-14 and 2014-15 combined Chelsea had the best record with only 984 days lost. Southampton were second best at 1,490 days and City third best at 1,559 days. 7 teams lost over 2,000 days with the worse two being Arsenal and Newcastle on 3,182 and 3,174 respectively.

So City's record before this season was excellent.

Although Newcastle's is seriously crap and still is.

 

[Chi-town blues]

Make kamasutra compulsory for the first team . No more hammy..soft tissue..Problem solved.

 

[crmcfc]

Don't sign players that have been injury prone at their previous club.

 

[ballinio]

Don't sign players that have been injury prone at their previous club.

Bony was never injured at Swansea

 

[The Lightbowne Cowboy]

For 2013-14 and 2014-15 combined Chelsea had the best record with only 984 days lost. Southampton were second best at 1,490 days and City third best at 1,559 days. 7 teams lost over 2,000 days with the worse two being Arsenal and Newcastle on 3,182 and 3,174 respectively.

So City's record before this season was excellent.

In which case, could it some how be the new training facilities which are hindering us??? Just a thought from well outside the box! in fact, I'm in my own fucking 6 yard box. :-/

 

[mosssideblue]

Yes I agree it is speculative but the evidence (both scientific and the current epidemiology of injuries this season) would suggest we don't.

To me that would suggest those teams are implementing methods that are successfully reducing the risk of players getting injured. Mourinho is apparently very good at periodising training to minimise injury risk.

Essentially, although we don't know exactly what City do behind the scenes, the buck stops with Pellegrini.



It isn't bad luck, it is due to extraneous factors such as fatigue/poor conditioning as you mentioned. 'Soft tissue injuries' is an all encapsulating term for muscle/ligament/tendon injuries.

To me it would seem Pellegrini either a) doesn't perform the right training at the right time, b) implements a strategy that puts high loads on the players or c) doesn't allow for full recovery between matches (<3 days recovery between games does exacerbate this).

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You have obviously looked into this and are more informed that I am but:

• Most on here have concluded that the manager is set in his ways and has been inflexible. Surely then that would extend to training therefore, we should have experienced the same levels of injury year on year whilst he's been here
• Players are aging and and naturally slowing and will therefore have to push themselves harder to keep up with the pace of the league
• I suspect once injured, you are likely more easy to re-injure
• What evidence do you have to claim the medical staff are simply reactive and not proactive wrt injuries
• I find you claiming the buck stops with Pellergrini even though you admit to not knowing what goes on behind the scenes being somewhat premature
• We are playing a lot more games than most and are east targets for the PL bullies as they seem to get away with a lot
• Bad luck cannot be dismissed.

As I say, this is my opinion as a layman.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

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You have obviously looked into this and are more informed that I am but:

• Most on here have concluded that the manager is set in his ways and has been inflexible. Surely then that would extend to training therefore, we should have experienced the same levels of injury year on year whilst he's been here
• Players are aging and and naturally slowing and will therefore have to push themselves harder to keep up with the pace of the league
• I suspect once injured, you are likely more easy to re-injure
• What evidence do you have to claim the medical staff are simply reactive and not proactive wrt injuries
• I find you claiming the buck stops with Pellergrini even though you admit to not knowing what goes on behind the scenes being somewhat premature
• We are playing a lot more games than most and are east targets for the PL bullies as they seem to get away with a lot
• Bad luck cannot be dismissed.

As I say, this is my opinion as a layman.

This is a different topic to the main gist but on your penultimate point; we used to be the Premier League bullies! That's one hell of a frustrating thing to look at us losing midfield battles week-after-week. Nobody ever used to dominate us, we used to give anyone a proper battle if they wanted it and we'd almost always win. Now we've gone soft!

 

[Plain Speaking]

In which case, could it some how be the new training facilities which are hindering us??? Just a thought from well outside the box! in fact, I'm in my own fucking 6 yard box. :-/

I was thinking the same. If the harder training surfaces at the new complex are contributing to the problem. It would explain why our injury record was better than normal on the soft natural Carrington surfaces. The change in our injury performance seemed to coincide with our departure from Carrington.

 

[Plain Speaking]

Bony was never injured at Swansea

Delph also had a good record, with soft tissue injury prior to joining us. This topic is certainly an important one for the club to address.

 

[mosssideblue]

This is a different topic to the main gist but on your penultimate point; we used to be the Premier League bullies! That's one hell of a frustrating thing to look at us losing midfield battles week-after-week. Nobody ever used to dominate us, we used to give anyone a proper battle if they wanted it and we'd almost always win. Now we've gone soft!

Not sure if you read me correctly, I was meaning we get a lot of fouls against us which seem to go "unnoticed"

 

[LHarper]

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You have obviously looked into this and are more informed that I am but:

• Most on here have concluded that the manager is set in his ways and has been inflexible. Surely then that would extend to training therefore, we should have experienced the same levels of injury year on year whilst he's been here
• Players are aging and and naturally slowing and will therefore have to push themselves harder to keep up with the pace of the league
• I suspect once injured, you are likely more easy to re-injure
• What evidence do you have to claim the medical staff are simply reactive and not proactive wrt injuries
• I find you claiming the buck stops with Pellergrini even though you admit to not knowing what goes on behind the scenes being somewhat premature
• We are playing a lot more games than most and are east targets for the PL bullies as they seem to get away with a lot
• Bad luck cannot be dismissed.

As I say, this is my opinion as a layman.

Yes the best predictor of injury is a previous injury, therefore the players within our squad with recurrent injuries (i.e., Kompany) need to be handled differently.

It's my opinion that they are not, and we have seen the outcome of that this season. I take your point about age on board and that may be a factor too.

The medical staff/sport scientists may be being proactive, but if the manager doesn't use the information produced then they end up becoming simply reactive.

Not sure what being targets of PL bullies has to do with it, we are talking about soft tissue injuries not contact injuries.

I'm a scientist so don't believe in bad luck when it comes to things like this!

 

[Marvin]

Not sure if you read me correctly, I was meaning we get a lot of fouls against us which seem to go "unnoticed"

Fouls would be a big issue if we were getting contact injuries, but its the muscle strains that are an issue.

A relevant point are preparation and pre-season tours. It look like we put the commercial interests of the City football group before the footballing interests of the first team squad.

It's the Summer training that gives players the base-line fitness that prevents strains. And the travelling fatigues players and prevents them training properly. Delphs problems started when he flew half way around the world and played a game hours later and got injured. No one knows if travel / fatigue was a cause, but these are the things to look at.

 

[LHarper]

Fouls would be a big issue if we were getting contact injuries, but its the muscle strains that are an issue.

A relevant point are preparation and pre-season tours. It look like we put the commercial interests of the City football group before the footballing interests of the first team squad.

It's the Summer training that gives players the base-line fitness that prevents strains. And the travelling fatigues players and prevents them training properly. Delphs problems started when he flew half way around the world and played a game hours later and got injured. No one knows if travel / fatigue was a cause, but these are the things to look at.

These long distance tours with too much travelling and not enough actual proper training is likely to be a very important factor.

Apparently Pep really doesn't want to travel to the Far East this summer and I don't blame him.

For me, one of the major reasons Chelsea started this season so poorly was the fact they started preseason later than anyone else and just did not look fit enough in the first few matches.

 

[Marvin]

Yes the best predictor of injury is a previous injury, therefore the players within our squad with recurrent injuries (i.e., Kompany) need to be handled differently.

It's my opinion that they are not, and we have seen the outcome of that this season. I take your point about age on board and that may be a factor too.

The medical staff/sport scientists may be being proactive, but if the manager doesn't use the information produced then they end up becoming simply reactive.

Not sure what being targets of PL bullies has to do with it, we are talking about soft tissue injuries not contact injuries.

I'm a scientist so don't believe in bad luck when it comes to things like this!

From what I gather Aguero has his own regime. It's difficult criticising the medical and conditioning side when we don't know what they do. It looks like something is wrong, but how can we know when we see the end results but not the methods?

 

[LHarper]

I was thinking the same. If the harder training surfaces at the new complex are contributing to the problem. It would explain why our injury record was better than normal on the soft natural Carrington surfaces. The change in our injury performance seemed to coincide with our departure from Carrington.

There's no scientific evidence to suggest pitch surface influences injury risk (although players believe artificial surfaces increase risk, hence why Henry refused to play on them in the MLS).

 

[LHarper]

From what I gather Aguero has his own regime. It's difficult criticising the medical and conditioning side when we don't know what they do. It looks like something is wrong, but how can we know when we see the end results but not the methods?

Yes Aguero will have a particular regime with regards to warm-ups, strength sessions, recovery modalities etc., but he will still participate in most of, if not all of the training and conditioning sessions. I'm definitely not criticising the sport science/medical staff.

 

[Centurions]

These long distance tours with too much travelling and not enough actual proper training is likely to be a very important factor.

Apparently Pep really doesn't want to travel to the Far East this summer and I don't blame him.

For me, one of the major reasons Chelsea started this season so poorly was the fact they started preseason later than anyone else and just did not look fit enough in the first few matches.

We were all over the place for pre-season friendlies but won the first 5 on the trot in the PL scoring 11 and conceding zero, so that doesn't really gel.