Chelsea post match thread

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flb said:
So Manuel has done what's best for the club has he? Utilising all of the resources at his disposal is best for the club not just throwing them into the mix in a big FA Cup game once a fucking season. May i suggest all he cares about is his fucking self no more no less.
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I would still have to disagree because your sentiment is very general and perhaps speaks to Pellegrini's ability and decision over h course of the season. We all have our opinions on Pellegrini's tenure at the club. I'm one of those who is against him, in that 'overall' respect. I simply don't think he's good enough, to put it in one sentence. Nevertheless...

This decision, in this particular situation was the right gamble. If you want to discuss the fact that these kids should have been supplementing rotation yonks ago, or they should have been getting more chances in general... well, that's a whole 'nother topic to debate. My intuition tells me that we'd probably be on the same side of that argument. But this specific decision surrounding this controversy... he's done what's best for the club. Disrespectful to English tradition... yes, perhaps. Best for the club all day. If you would like to list the pros and cons of either decision, (taking the element of gamble into account,) I think there's only going to be one winner.

Your suggestion is ridiculous but of course you may suggest it.
 
Colin Bell's Boots said:
Total meltdown .
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very big week for pellegrini and it could end very bad for him if we lose the 2 games or should we lose the league cup it maybe lead to the board jumping right now and give pellegrini the boot and let brain kidd have the 12 games to get us back on track and keep us in the top 4 that's is the bottom line for me. 4th place a must for pep to have time to get the right players he wants right now and champions league will be the key to any superstars coming in the summer
 
xenon_ said:
I would still have to disagree because your sentiment is very general and perhaps speaks to Pellegrini's ability and decision over h course of the season. We all have our opinions on Pellegrini's tenure at the club. I'm one of those who is against him, in that 'overall' respect. I simply don't think he's good enough, to put it in one sentence. Nevertheless...

This decision, in this particular situation was the right gamble. If you want to discuss the fact that these kids should have been supplementing rotation yonks ago, or they should have been getting more chances in general... well, that's a whole 'nother topic to debate. My intuition tells me that we'd probably be on the same side of that argument. But this specific decision surrounding this controversy... he's done what's best for the club. Disrespectful to English tradition... yes, perhaps. Best for the club all day. If you would like to list the pros and cons of either decision, (taking the element of gamble into account,) I think there's only going to be one winner.

Your suggestion is ridiculous but of course you may suggest it.
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Agree fully. Peller has been falling in my estimation for some time now but in this instance he had little choice but play the kids. Personally I think any 11 we could have fielded yesterday would most likely have come up short. Also whatever the traditionalists may feel the CL is a far bigger competition both in terms of revenue and prestige and is always likely to be given priority. Batter the manager if you wish, there is plenty of ammunition available, but on this one I feel he was right
 
ancoats said:
very big week for pellegrini and it could end very bad for him if we lose the 2 games or should we lose the league cup it maybe lead to the board jumping right now and give pellegrini the boot and let brain kidd have the 12 games to get us back on track and keep us in the top 4 that's is the bottom line for me. 4th place a must for pep to have time to get the right players he wants right now and champions league will be the key to any superstars coming in the summer
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Any plan that has the words 'Brian Kidd' and 'masterminding the remaining 12 games' in the same sentence, paragraph or is even on the same fucking page needs to be incinerated and then never spoken about ever again.
 
A tiny bit of me can understand yesterdays actions........just. However I still find it a bit sickening that we meekly surrendered by playing a team that realistically had no chance of winning that game. I know time moves on and all that but this was the competition that put us back on the map only a few years ago and it just doesn't sit right with me, let alone the supporters who forked out money and spent hours travelling. Yeah, if we win the League Cup and/or the Premier League / Euro Cup it may be cited as sensible but it can never be proved and the chances of winning either of the 'Big' competitions look slimmer as the weeks pass. Ultimately our mythical squad depth and poor purchasing is costing us. When we won the league twice in 3 seasons we had at least 3 contributing strikers to call on and now we really only have Sergio - when fit. We have NO natural left-sided attacking players to provide width and balance or a young midfield dynamo that we can rely on. All of the senior centre-backs have had problems with form, confidence, ability or injuries. Caballero made a great save yesterday but was generally very ordinary......and that is putting it mildly
We simply MUST put everything into beating the scousers this Sunday and I hope the coaching staff and players actually seem to have a plan, concentrate for 90 + minutes and look coherent in a big game for a change
 
one or two City fans near me were dragged off by the 'Response Team' after about 15 minutes (Upper tier, probably about row 4 or 5). And idea what that was about?
 
I don't think Pellegrini can take full blame for the fact the kids played yesterday. It's a clear priority from the main board to progress in the CL. Add in the fact there's a chance of a trophy on Sunday and the FA Cup game was the third in terms of importance (based on the board's opinion).

I don't share that view. For me we should have used younger players more frequently. The board have been weak in terms of player management and we've kept several on beyond their time and are suffering because of it. You have to replenish the side with young players and with new talent to instill energy, commitment and competition. We've not done that. We've had so many games that all senior players have had to play, they know even if they play shite they'll get another game and that's not healthy. Yesterday it was largely the senior guys who let us down. A poor clearance by Fernando, poor defending by Demi and Kolarov and poor keeping from Caba. Yes we gave the ball away too much second half but the young guys showed that had they been used earlier in the season (one or two at a time) they'd have done a great job. That would have kept the squad fresh and also given the young lads enough experience to potentially warrant the faith of the manager in other games.

Away in Kiev the priority is surely to try and get an away goal but stay compact and be hard to break down. If Garcia had featured more this season, he might have been just the man to show composure in the centre away in Kiev. That would allow someone else a game yesterday or against Liverpool in the cup. I get why we had to rotate but these players should have been tested earlier in the season. Throwing so many in at once wasn't the best idea, but they did well and I'm proud of how the younger lads performed.

Most fans will have their own take and will agree/disagree with what the board have decided. In my opinion whilst the CL is important we will not win it without a hell of a lot of luck whereas the FA Cup was a real chance to do something. Having said that, if Aguero, Silva, Kompany etc had have been injured yesterday I'd have probably whinged about team selection!

It is what it is and I just hope the young lads are trusted more now, because they showed they can be integrated without too many issues. If Kompany, Silva and Fernandinho had have been on instead of say Nacho, Fernando and Demi we'd have had players able to just show a bit more composure and aid the younger lads a bit. We played some cracking one touch football at times, but perhaps overplayed a bit and also didn't keep the ball enough. Silva and Ferny could have assisted in that so in the future a good blend of experience and youth will work just fine regardless of the competition.
 
mekonmcfc said:
whats the bigger picture ??? explain please
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If you have no idea what we are trying to achieve with the resources available, the there is little point in explaining
mekonmcfc said:
He is in charge of the first team, so he makes those decisions.. he might have told others what he was doing. But i doubt he would ask for permission.
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Disagree mate as the image of the club was in the headlights for that game and I would be amazed if the manager alone would make that call knowing what the media repercussions would be.
 
ancoats said:
very big week for pellegrini and it could end very bad for him if we lose the 2 games or should we lose the league cup it maybe lead to the board jumping right now and give pellegrini the boot and let brain kidd have the 12 games to get us back on track and keep us in the top 4 that's is the bottom line for me. 4th place a must for pep to have time to get the right players he wants right now and champions league will be the key to any superstars coming in the summer
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Your having a laff.
 
bondsman said:
Still a fan of pellers then mossiside? Will you still be should we lose next two games?
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Rather have Pell at the wheel that Brian Kidd was my point. If results don't go our way these next few games, I will still support his decision to field the team he did against the Chavs.

I will be glad when we have pep, but whilst Pel is here, he has my support. Anything wrong with that?
 
Great 1st half but inexperience and a strong Chelsea performance did us in the end. I can't say I'm that bothered because we could have a trophy in the bag by this time next week. We needed to give ourselves the best possible chance in all competitions and the FA Cup was 4th on that list in a week where we nearly play in all 4.
 
Manuel has been banging on for weeks that we were still in all four competitions ... so why is he suddenly surprised that being in all four would result in fixture congestion, injuries, fatigue and a stretching of resources? You don't need a crystal ball. Had he played the kids when he should have, in the Cup games against Hull and Villa, for example ... bedded them in as a matter of course ... we might not have had so many injury problems with senior players and the kids wouldn't have to be thrown in at the deep end against a team as strong as Chelsea. Player of the season at Spurs is 19-year-old Dele Alli. We just paid £49 million for a 20-year-old who has been playing in the Liverpool team since he was 17. Why aren't we seeing more of our teens on a regular basis? You can put money on Guardiola blooding more of our kids on a regular basis.

Even if you accept that Manuel was forced to play the kids on Sunday ... why is he putting them out in a 4-4-2 formation? It's not worked all year so why would it work now? Why is that backline so criminally flat? How many times did Chelsea get a runner in behind that backline with a simple one-two? It was schoolboy stuff ... and that's not individual errors, that was his gameplan. It was amateurish and awful to watch.

MDM was poor again and Willy was awful. But who brought them to the club and who insists on playing them? Would any other top flight manager have brought in either of those two? I doubt it. Willy was at fault for three of the goals and arguably culpable in all five. Yet we all expect him to play on Sunday.

Manuel had a great first season ... a so-so second ... and I fear the worst right now for his swansong. Hope I'm wrong :)
 
mosssideblue said:
Rather have Pell at the wheel that Brian Kidd was my point. If results don't go our way these next few games, I will still support his decision to field the team he did against the Chavs.

I will be glad when we have pep, but whilst Pel is here, he has my support. Anything wrong with that?
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Agree with your point about Kidd, just. Don't think that you can keep supporting mp on current performances.
 
bondsman said:
Agree with your point about Kidd, just. Don't think that you can keep supporting mp on current performances.
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He's our Manager, and we should be old and bold enough to take the rough with the smooth.

Our performances IMO are not all down to him. Yes, he does take some of the pain, but the players should also be held to account for some performances.
 
as a big lover of the FA cup I was disappointed at yesterdays defeat, however I fully understand pelligrini's decision to play so many youngsters and they did us proud yesterday especially in the 1st half, and fingers crossed it proves to be the right decision for Wednesday and for sunday, and as already stated joe must start on sunday as I felt willy was poor yesterday. next stop kiev.
 
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