EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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which bits of regulation that 'otherwise hamper trade' would you relax, and why can't the UK financial service industry sell to Japan anyway??

I honestly don't know specifics but a quick Google search brought me this article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...84126/EU-sends-Britain-a-20m-garlic-bill.html

The UK financial service industry can sell to Japan but as far as I'm aware, that trade would be subject to any tariffs the EU has placed on trade with Japan.
 
I didn't bother refuting bluethruandthru's naive assumptions about Kent point by point. However, the following ten points might be an eye opener for anyone with little knowledge of this noble county.

1. Kent used to be called the Garden of England; it's now often jokingly referred to as the Patio of England.
2. The Dover Straits are reportedly the busiest shipping lanes in the world, with the Port of Dover playing a pivotal role in the UK's economy.
3. To service all that commercial and tourist traffic, two motorways and one high-speed rail line were bludgeoned through the county's areas of outstanding national beauty.
4. The lay-bys on the A20 are constantly littered with piss bottles, excrement and general ordure from lorry drivers camping out overnight.
5. When the frogs take their annual ferry strikes, Operation Stack brings great tracts of Kent to a standstill.
And despite the motorways being used as temporary car park for thousands of British and continental trucks during Stack, the government refuses to share any of the tab for policing. So the bill falls to local council taxpayers instead.
7. Ditto with the asylum seekers and other assorted waifs who have to be accommodated by Dover and nearby towns. The volume of violent crimes and sexual offences is swollen by unchecked migration of people with criminal records. There's as much chance of a Saturday night Shia v Sunni Muslim ruckus in Dover as there is in Iraq.
8. Whilst much of Kent is prosperous, substantial parts are economically deprived.
9. Some of the seaside towns are used as dumping grounds by the London boroughs for social problem cases. Margate suffers more than most because of its cheap housing stock.
10. Kent has absorbed more than its fair share of housing development. Ashford and Northfleet in particular are massive expansion areas. Meanwhile, thanks to the mushrooming population, every town and village has its arm twisted to cram in more houses or suffer hidden financial penalties.

To sum up, anyone who says Kent doesn't do its bit for the country is being totally ignorant.

lovely bit of racist bigotry there.
 
Majority of swedes would want to leave the eu if the uk comes out.

http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-...of-swedes-want-to-leave-eu-in-case-of-brexit/

This is what a lot of the remain camp don't get is that there are huge swathes of citizens from the wealthier nations who know that this is redistribution exercise of wealth from more prosperous regions to the vast majority of the eu although even they won't have enough cash for the likes of Albania , Ukraine and turkey
This is driving the out vote too, a large element of the British establishment is fed up of the EU redistributing to places like the Rhondda, Scotland and the north east. They don't want this happening and want wealth kept in the City of London, Surrey and other wealthy areas. They want to turn Britain to the right lose the Celtic fringes and consolidate wealth. An out vote will help them and will worsen the already great divide in Britain and allow Britain to move significantly right. One thing I have always admired about the Tories, admired about the Scottish nationalists and about the out vote is how using nationalist tools, using made up information that drives people's desire for upward mobility they manage to convince a othe % of the population that something that is in the interests of 1-5% of the population is in their interest even though they will never be in that 1-5%
 
which bits of regulation that 'otherwise hamper trade' would you relax, and why can't the UK financial service industry sell to Japan anyway??
Japan will bankrupt in decades and will show the world what near zero immigration does. It leaves you with a 250% deficit, a structural deficit, a dramatically ageing and shrinking population, negative interest rates and possibly the worst economic situation long term out there. Japan is the disaster the world is choosing to ignore!

The U.K. Financial industry with the changes and technology coming in from the new digital platforms which if not regulated by groups like the RU who hold some geographic power will do to banking 5 or 10 fold what uber or Airbnb have done
 
Japan will bankrupt in decades and will show the world what near zero immigration does. It leaves you with a 250% deficit, a structural deficit, a dramatically ageing and shrinking population, negative interest rates and possibly the worst economic situation long term out there. Japan is the disaster the world is choosing to ignore!

The U.K. Financial industry with the changes and technology coming in from the new digital platforms which if not regulated by groups like the RU who hold some geographic power will do to banking 5 or 10 fold what uber or Airbnb have done

No one saying they want near zero immigrantion. They just don't want completely open borders allowing anyone in to claim benefits, housing and cause a burden on our NHS, other services and roads which are already suffering due to a ever growing population.
 
This is driving the out vote too, a large element of the British establishment is fed up of the EU redistributing to places like the Rhondda, Scotland and the north east. They don't want this happening and want wealth kept in the City of London, Surrey and other wealthy areas. They want to turn Britain to the right lose the Celtic fringes and consolidate wealth. An out vote will help them and will worsen the already great divide in Britain and allow Britain to move significantly right. One thing I have always admired about the Tories, admired about the Scottish nationalists and about the out vote is how using nationalist tools, using made up information that drives people's desire for upward mobility they manage to convince a othe % of the population that something that is in the interests of 1-5% of the population is in their interest even though they will never be in that 1-5%
I find that hard to believe EB. At least here in Ireland I don't see the EU directing the government to redistribute wealth from Dublin to other areas. I don't think they give two hoots about the common people. Only the MEP from the area cares and he/she is most likely lost in the crowd.
 
No one saying they want near zero immigrantion. They just don't want completely open borders allowing anyone in to claim benefits, housing and cause a burden on our NHS, other services and roads which are already suffering due to a ever growing population.

Services are not suffering because of immigrants, they're suffering from needless austerity and the NHS is not creaking because of a growing population, it's creaking because of an aging population. Immigrants are a major contributor to our GDP not a drain on it.

The benefit tourism myth is for the agenda whores and the truly stupid.
 
I find that hard to believe EB. At least here in Ireland I don't see the EU directing the government to redistribute wealth from Dublin to other areas. I don't think they give two hoots about the common people. Only the MEP from the area cares and he/she is most likely lost in the crowd.
You may well be right, but Dublin certainly since 2008 has had a lot of poverty and economic problems and is far more comparible to Cardiff which has had a lot of European money London on its own dwarfs Ireland let alone Dublin
 
No one saying they want near zero immigrantion. They just don't want completely open borders allowing anyone in to claim benefits, housing and cause a burden on our NHS, other services and roads which are already suffering due to a ever growing population.
So you want the productivity, growth and tax from immigration but want them to gain nothing by coming, that's fantasy economics . The burden on the NHS factually is driven by aged people , alcohol and obese people all of which are much lower amongst immigrants - the reality is immigrants pay to prop up the local aged population but that doesn't make for a good story
 
All existing terms and conditions remain in place for 2 years after we vote for independence. So you have nothing to worry about in the short term.

Its not the changes to terms and conditions that particularly bothers me. Its the power struggle that will break out within the Tory party and completely dominate politics. Boris taking over as PM. Other Leavers being appointed to the Cabinet not because they're any good but simply to bolster his position during the negotiations. The lack of focus on the economy, the NHS, education, or anything apart from the Brexit arrangements.
 
Its not the changes to terms and conditions that particularly bothers me. Its the power struggle that will break out within the Tory party and completely dominate politics. Boris taking over as PM. Other Leavers being appointed to the Cabinet not because they're any good but simply to bolster his position during the negotiations. The lack of focus on the economy, the NHS, education, or anything apart from the Brexit arrangements.

Given the small majority the government have, there's little chance that Cameron could survive a vote of confidence. After that, there'd be riots if a general was not called quickly.

Pretty well the only thing the Conservatives could do to lose the next generation is to elect Johnson as their next leader. It's most unlikely that they will do so, although they did manage to lose the 2005 election by giving the leadership to Howard. I reckon they've learned from that and they have dozens, if not hundreds, of better candidates.
 
Given the small majority the government have, there's little chance that Cameron could survive a vote of confidence. After that, there'd be riots if a general was not called quickly.

Pretty well the only thing the Conservatives could do to lose the next generation is to elect Johnson as their next leader. It's most unlikely that they will do so, although they did manage to lose the 2005 election by giving the leadership to Howard. I reckon they've learned from that and they have dozens, if not hundreds, of better candidates.

There wasn't a general election when Brown replaced Blair, there will not be one if Johnson replaces Cameron. The Tories will not lose a vote of confidence.

If the Leavers win the vote, they're not going to allow Cameron or any pro EU tory to take charge of the Brexit negotiations. Cameron will probably resign, but if he doesn't it only takes 50 anti EU MPs to force a leadership contest. One of the two candidates that will be put to the membership will be a Leaver, probably Johnson, and the membership will vote for the Leaver.
 
Almost. It's 12% of our GDP vs 7% of the EU's GDP. As a percentage of exports, as I said above, 45% of the UK’s exports go to the EU, compared to just 7% of EU exports which come to the UK.

Yet people on here think we'd be in the driving seat with any negotiations? Let alone the fact that France would undoubtedly be saying "fuck you" - as they always do - for us having the temerity to leave.
I think you are being slightly disingenuous using those figures
12% of one Economy is a whole lot less than 7% of 20 plus economies I would like you to quote in pounds or Euros what those % actually mean in real terms
 
So you want the productivity, growth and tax from immigration but want them to gain nothing by coming, that's fantasy economics . The burden on the NHS factually is driven by aged people , alcohol and obese people all of which are much lower amongst immigrants - the reality is immigrants pay to prop up the local aged population but that doesn't make for a good story

Selective generalization again so here is one of mine purely for balance

Immigrants bring their own medical issues with some very expensive long term issues that are more prevalent in their own race and immigrants have much higher levels of smoking

but hey your quote looked good without any facts
 
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So you want the productivity, growth and tax from immigration but want them to gain nothing by coming, that's fantasy economics . The burden on the NHS factually is driven by aged people , alcohol and obese people all of which are much lower amongst immigrants - the reality is immigrants pay to prop up the local aged population but that doesn't make for a good story

Out of interest would you always stick by this argument ... What if millions of immigrants arrive in our country over the next few years - are you saying no amount of migrants would put a strain on our country ? Will you just stick your fingers in your ears and blame the old age, alcoholic, obese people. Everyone but migrants ?
 
Because sweeping the reality under the carpet really works...

Maybe you could try making your point without calling
No one saying they want near zero immigrantion. They just don't want completely open borders allowing anyone in to claim benefits, housing and cause a burden on our NHS, other services and roads which are already suffering due to a ever growing population.

we don't have completely open borders or allow anyone to claim benefits now.
 
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