Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

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@uweuweuwe : Thanks! :)
@Scaring Europe to Death: FSV has a really really small fan base which is mainly coming from one part of Frankfurt called Bornheim. Lots of older people, families etc. They are not considered rivals by us, simply because they are a lot smaller in every regard. They are more like a little brother and I always keep an eye on their results. 2nd league is a really big for them, hope they manage to stay in.
 
@Tony Flags: Well yeah Hannover are a club similar to Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Köln etc. Lots of support and tradition but they dont manage to get a foot on the ground. Not to long ago they played in the Euro League and looked like a well established team, now they are going down.

Seems to be a pattern for a lot of those older clubs (us included).
 
Bembeltown said:
@uweuweuwe : Thanks! :)
@Scaring Europe to Death: FSV has a really really small fan base which is mainly coming from one part of Frankfurt called Bornheim. Lots of older people, families etc. They are not considered rivals by us, simply because they are a lot smaller in every regard. They are more like a little brother and I always keep an eye on their results. 2nd league is a really big for them, hope they manage to stay in.
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That sounds like our attitude to Stockport in the 80s.
1997: Stockport 3 City 1
Probably my worst day ever, supporting City (and I've had plenty of bad ones)
 
Bembeltown said:
@Tony Flags: Well yeah Hannover are a club similar to Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Köln etc. Lots of support and tradition but they dont manage to get a foot on the ground. Not to long ago they played in the Euro League and looked like a well established team, now they are going down.
Seems to be a pattern for a lot of those older clubs (us included).
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It is kinda strange isn't it? I can understand Berlin (WWII?) not having an established first division club but it is difficult to understand why Mainz for example (or Augsburg recently) can have a better track record than I don't know, your team (no offense), Koln, Ingolstadt among others. Even then if you don't have a big corp behind that payroll it is difficult to see the past days of Schalke, Hamburg or Bremen doing better back in Europe.
 
Tony Flags said:
It is kinda strange isn't it? I can understand Berlin (WWII?) not having an established first division club but it is difficult to understand why Mainz for example (or Augsburg recently) can have a better track record than I don't know, your team (no offense), Koln, Ingolstadt among others. Even then if you don't have a big corp behind that payroll it is difficult to see the past days of Schalke, Hamburg or Bremen doing better back in Europe.
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This is a rather confused post. First time I've seen Schanzer compared to Traditionsverein.
 
I agree with you Tony that it is strange. Seems like the majority of the "old" clubs are doing a horrible job despite having the infrastructure/fanbase to do better. Augsburg, Mainz, Freiburg etc. all are on a worse budget, got smaller grounds, less fans and still do better than the old guard.

I was hoping that we would be able to permanently compete for a solid spot in the upper regions of the table once we got promoted and got to the Euro League immediately the year after.

We had a pretty solid team with promising youngsters who then got poached by Bayern/Wolfsburg and decided to warm the bench over there instead of getting regular play time. Jung looked like a candidate for the national team when he played for us, now he completely disappeared from the landscape. Rode had a solid first year with Bayern, but thats it...Now he is pretty much a bench warmer as well.

Kevin Trapp went to PSG and we got some solid money for him, but seems like we invested into the wrong players which is a vicious cycle.

Clubs like us lose players, invest the money and if the replacement is not a success we are pretty much doomed as we dont got enough financial background to invest into players who are more or less a guaranteed success. So it all comes down to our scouting which has proven to be horrible in the past.
 
Tony Flags said:
It is kinda strange isn't it? I can understand Berlin (WWII?) not having an established first division club but it is difficult to understand why Mainz for example (or Augsburg recently) can have a better track record than I don't know, your team (no offense), Koln, Ingolstadt among others. Even then if you don't have a big corp behind that payroll it is difficult to see the past days of Schalke, Hamburg or Bremen doing better back in Europe.
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From an outsider looking-in, it seems as though clubs such as Mainz and Augsburg are well run outfits, probably living within their means, and recognising their own limitations (similar to Stoke and Swansea being better organised than clubs with potentially larger support, such as Leeds or Aston Villa)
So, are you happy with the existing structure, or would you prefer the Bundesliga to relax its ownership rules, and allow clubs such as Koln or Hamburg to be aided by large investment?
 
Scaring Europe to Death said:
So, are you happy with the existing structure, or would you prefer the Bundesliga to relax its ownership rules, and allow clubs such as Koln or Hamburg to be aided by large investment?
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Well on paper anyone trying to suggest a change of structure would be shooting themselves on the foot sort to speak, considering the Bundesliga's league ranking. I wouldn't change the structure, no. And yet you would hope to have Hamburg for example - a club of that size and history - to be constantly fighting even in the Europa League instead of having to watch them avoid relegation season after next (Jesus watching Labbadia enjoy avoiding relegation like he won the league is pathetic.)

But even more than that I think the league could benefit from 'outside' investment (could be Germany's famous corporate clubs i.e.) create more derbies as you would see in the EPL. I would love to see some sort of St Pauli vs Hamburg, 1860 vs Bayern or God forbid Tasmania vs Hertha instead of just your regular Schalke vs Dortmund to spice things up bellow the top. So yes, I would flex things over a bit in that regard to make something like that possible.
 
Bembeltown said:
We had a pretty solid team with promising youngsters who then got poached by Bayern/Wolfsburg and decided to warm the bench over there instead of getting regular play time. Jung looked like a candidate for the national team when he played for us, now he completely disappeared from the landscape. Rode had a solid first year with Bayern, but thats it...Now he is pretty much a bench warmer as well.
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You make a good point. Could it be then a bit of luck? You mention players for example and I thought maybe you need those up and comers to help you. Sort of Okazaki (Mainz), Dortmund's entire 2012 roster, Bobadilla (Augsburg) or Cissé (Freiburg). Maybe you need those for a season or two before they fly overseas or go for a mix with old timers like Altintop for Augsburg or Arango for Gladbach.

But you have to no doubt factor in the coach. There's no questions for me about that. I just don't see Mainz doing a Mainz without Klopp and Tuchel, or Weinzierl for Augsburg or even Favre to avoid relegation for Gladbach.
 
What date specifically do the fixtures come out, and what's the best way to get to Ingolstadt, other than the Airport Express from Munich Airport. I'm probably going to fly into Stuttgart, granted it's further away, but still probably works out a lot cheaper. I'm thinking the train, but not sure whether via Nuremberg or Munich. I believe it's quicker through Nuremberg.
 
Alex-MCFC said:
What date specifically do the fixtures come out, and what's the best way to get to Ingolstadt, other than the Airport Express from Munich Airport. I'm probably going to fly into Stuttgart, granted it's further away, but still probably works out a lot cheaper. I'm thinking the train, but not sure whether via Nuremberg or Munich. I believe it's quicker through Nuremberg.
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The last time, City played at Bayern Munich, I flew Manchester-Hamburg, and then travelled Hamburg-Munich, using the return train ( roughly midnight to 7am) as my accommodation.
The whole expedition only cost around £150, and the train went through both Nuremberg and Ingolstadt.
Admittedly, a huge meander, but I'd do it again
 
Great win for Frankfurt! The game on the last day between Bremen v Frankfurt is going to be crazy!

Alex-MCFC said:
What date specifically do the fixtures come out, and what's the best way to get to Ingolstadt, other than the Airport Express from Munich Airport. I'm probably going to fly into Stuttgart, granted it's further away, but still probably works out a lot cheaper. I'm thinking the train, but not sure whether via Nuremberg or Munich. I believe it's quicker through Nuremberg.
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I think it's a week or so after the Premier League, so the last couple of weeks of June.

I flew to and from Munich when I visited Ingolstadt (and Augsburg) - it's easy enough, but I think I read Ryanair were going to start flying to Nuremberg from Manchester at some point which is roughly a similar distance. Ryanair are generally cheaper so might be helpful for you.

Ryanair will definitely be flying from Manchester to Hamburg from October which is good news for German football fans. I will complete 18/18 Bundesliga grounds next season and I'm hoping to make a serious dent into 'The 56' too (which apparently isn't really a thing).

Who is likely to come up to the Third League?
 
According to their website Ryanair is flying to Nuremberg from Manchester next season.
Think that and train from Nuremberg to Ingolstadt will be the cheapest option.
 
I see that 1860 are enjoying their traditional end of season revival. How on earth did they win at St Pauli?
Red Bull Leipzig will be a new ground for me next season, and I’m sure their supporters will be welcomed with open arms……...cough...cough
 
cptaidan88 said:
Who is likely to come up to the Third League?
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Dynamo Dresden
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Erzgebirge Aue (A)
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Würzburger Kickers (N)
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VfL Osnabrück
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That is the ranking right now with 2 games to go. Looks like Dresden and Aue for 1st and 2nd - and Würzburg has to go into the relegation matches with the third last of the 2nd league. 2nd and 3rd - and 3rd and 4th - could still change.
 
Maldeika said:
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Dynamo Dresden
36 19 15 2 70:32 38 72

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Erzgebirge Aue (A)
36 17 13 6 37:21 16 64
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Würzburger Kickers (N)
36 15 15 6 41:24 17 60
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VfL Osnabrück
36 14 14 8 44:36 8 56

That is the ranking right now with 2 games to go. Looks like Dresden and Aue for 1st and 2nd - and Würzburg has to go into the relegation matches with the third last of the 2nd league. 2nd and 3rd - and 3rd and 4th - could still change.
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Wurzburg against someone like 1860 or Fortuna would be a culture shock, that's for sure!

Coming up to the Third Division (@cptaidan88) looks like Waldhof Mannheim and Elversberg from the South West, Regensburg (or potentially Nuremberg II) from Bavaria, Wolfsburg II (or maybe VfB Oldenburg) from the North, Zwickau (or Berliner AK) in the North East and finally Lotte from the West. I'd fancy Mannheim, Regensburg and Lotte from the bunch, personally.
 
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