The are we allowed the "it's quiet" thread yet? thread.

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efcblue said:
All I've seen from him and all I've heard from City fans is that Hart is bang average and makes too many mistakes and that under a weaker defence he'd be horribly exposed.

West Ham could probably spend a couple dozen, but so will everyone else at that level. The real money (hundreds) will be spent by us and United, with hopefully not forty of that going on a goalkeeper.
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There are a couple of posters on here who have it in for Joe, most back him fully and match going fans dont get on his back at all, he makes mistakes but all keepers do. He was outstanding for Birmingham City in his loan spell there behind a shite defense.
 
efcblue said:
Who knows lad, everyone asked the same about Aguero/Toure with City.

It'll have to be ridiculous money on an average signing (think Robinho/Jo) to get the ball rolling but still, I think £40m is too much.

Similarly to City languishing around the relegation zone until they were propped up with investment, Everton have been underperforming for over two decades now. The investment is simply propping us back up. It's not something your average club, such as West Ham, would be able to do
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Your comments give the impression you are arrogant, deluded and not the most diplomatic. Please play nicely or you will receive short shrift from other posters and possibly the mods. You should take note of how your fellow Evertonian, @shackattack engages with us City fans.
 
efcblue said:
The real money (hundreds) will be spent by us and United, with hopefully not forty of that going on a goalkeeper.
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Neither club are going to do that with the 5% wage increase rule though tbh, we're in a better position in that we'll be getting rid of Toure and a couple of others on high wages giving us a bit of breathing room in that regard. Everton simply don't have the high earners to get rid of. Your last published wage bill was around £51m in 2014/15, that won't have changed drastically. It means the highest you can have your wage bill without any increases in commercial (not TV) income is £53.5m or so. So spending hundreds of millions? Won't happen I'm afraid, that's Premier League FFPR for you. It'll teach any club that gets investment not to vote for something just because un*ted and arsenal tell them to.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Neither club are going to do that with the 5% wage increase rule though tbh, we're in a better position in that we'll be getting rid of Toure and a couple of others on high wages giving us a bit of breathing room in that regard. Everton simply don't have the high earners to get rid of. Your last published wage bill was around £51m in 2014/15, that won't have changed drastically. It means the highest you can have your wage bill without any increases in commercial (not TV) income is £53.5m or so. So spending hundreds of millions? Won't happen I'm afraid, that's Premier League FFPR for you. It'll teach any club that gets investment not to vote for something just because un*ted and arsenal tell them to.
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We all thought ffpr would kill the premiership and only a big team could ever win it ,pity Leicester didnt listen and give us a chance last season !
 
I think with Hart he wont go and will get a year with Pep as first choice keeper. We have major priorities to go at first compared to Hart. I have slated Hart in the past but he is going to be a main stay and starter under Pep. Look at his keeping alone in big games he has done well to keep us in the games. I feel full backs , midfield and 1 defender and maybe a striker too. Someone to push Kun on with Nacho progressing along slowly.
 
mrtwiceaseason said:
We all thought ffpr would kill the premiership and only a big team could ever win it ,pity Leicester didnt listen and give us a chance last season !
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It might not have killed Leicester's chance of winning the Premier League but it has killed Everton's chances of increasing their wage bill by more than £70k per week for next season. Btw they're apparently paying Aaron Lennon £75k a week.
 
efcblue said:
Who knows lad, everyone asked the same about Aguero/Toure with City.

If rumours are to be believed, Moshiri's best mate Usmanov will buying the remaining shares of Everton this season and we'll have the second richest owners in the league, behind City of course.

It'll have to be ridiculous money on an average signing (think Robinho/Jo) to get the ball rolling but still, I think £40m is too much.



As I touched on above, this isn't a result of TV money etc. This is because we have an owner who wants to play ball. Similarly to City languishing around the relegation zone until they were propped up with investment, Everton have been underperforming for over two decades now. The investment is simply propping us back up. It's not something your average club, such as West Ham, would be able to do. TV money can not afford them to place that much money on a standard goalkeeper.
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I'm loving all the new investment into the Prem. More teams fighting for the title makes it far more interesting. I hope you get your new stadium too. Seeing all those red noses put out of joint will be funny as fuck.
 
aguero93:20 said:
It might not have killed Leicester's chance of winning the Premier League but it has killed Everton's chances of increasing their wage bill by more than £70k per week for next season. Btw they're apparently paying Aaron Lennon £75k a week.
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We all said ffpr was designed to keep the big clubs at the top and how city had just got in etc ,didn't quite work out that way next year possibility west ham may be the new Leicester ?
 
stony said:
I'm loving all the new investment into the Prem. More teams fighting for the title makes it far more interesting. I hope you get your new stadium too. Seeing all those red noses put out of joint will be funny as fuck.
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Cheers mate. I'm excited for the future. I don't expect radical change but we'll be improving at a better rate than we are now.

Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
There are a couple of posters on here who have it in for Joe, most back him fully and match going fans dont get on his back at all, he makes mistakes but all keepers do. He was outstanding for Birmingham City in his loan spell there behind a shite defense.
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Nice to see a different insight. I always thought he was a good keeper but just from what I actually saw and what I heard my opinion changed otherwise. I don't watch him (apart from for England) so I just listen to City fans in this department!

Manc in London said:
Your comments give the impression you are arrogant, deluded and not the most diplomatic. Please play nicely or you will receive short shrift from other posters and possibly the mods. You should take note of how your fellow Evertonian, @shackattack engages with us City fans.
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Everyone else seems to have taken my comments in a nice manner. You seem to be the odd one out here.

aguero93:20 said:
Neither club are going to do that with the 5% wage increase rule though tbh, we're in a better position in that we'll be getting rid of Toure and a couple of others on high wages giving us a bit of breathing room in that regard. Everton simply don't have the high earners to get rid of. Your last published wage bill was around £51m in 2014/15, that won't have changed drastically. It means the highest you can have your wage bill without any increases in commercial (not TV) income is £53.5m or so. So spending hundreds of millions? Won't happen I'm afraid, that's Premier League FFPR for you. It'll teach any club that gets investment not to vote for something just because un*ted and arsenal tell them to.
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As I've read, as our bill is below £67m, the increase cap does not apply to us. We can increase it up to and past £67m with sufficient freedom for our first transfer window.

We'll be chopping our squad down massively. What we lack in high earners we make up for in numbers. Players like Peinaar on 50,000 per week (I know, I know, he's not worth a tenth of that) being off the payroll will seriously free up funds. Jagielka said in a very recent interview that over ten players could leave the club.

Furthermore, with the arrival of Moshiri, he's been brining in his own people. Actual businessmen on the board instead of the theatre owner who thinks he understands business. It means we'll be receiving income which will blow our current pathetic deals out of the water, further increasing our wage cap through own revenue.

Don't want to talk about Everton too much, my initial post was about Hart, but felt I should clear this up.
 
efcblue said:
As I've read, as our bill is below £67m, the increase cap does not apply to us. We can increase it up to and past £67m with sufficient freedom for our first transfer window.
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I don't know where you read that, I'll have a quick check but I think somebody has sold you one there. PL FFPR are far stricter than the UEFA ones.
 
efcblue said:
Cheers mate. I'm excited for the future. I don't expect radical change but we'll be improving at a better rate than we are now.



Nice to see a different insight. I always thought he was a good keeper but just from what I actually saw and what I heard my opinion changed otherwise. I don't watch him (apart from for England) so I just listen to City fans in this department!



Everyone else seems to have taken my comments in a nice manner. You seem to be the odd one out here.



As I've read, as our bill is below £67m, the increase cap does not apply to us. We can increase it up to and past £67m with sufficient freedom for our first transfer window.

We'll be chopping our squad down massively. What we lack in high earners we make up for in numbers. Players like Peinaar on 50,000 per week (I know, I know, he's not worth a tenth of that) being off the payroll will seriously free up funds. Jagielka said in a very recent interview that over ten players could leave the club.

Furthermore, with the arrival of Moshiri, he's been brining in his own people. Actual businessmen on the board instead of the theatre owner who thinks he understands business. It means we'll be receiving income which will blow our current pathetic deals out of the water, further increasing our wage cap through own revenue.

Don't want to talk about Everton too much, my initial post was about Hart, but felt I should clear this up.
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If you stay at Goodison you will need to spend 50 million on creosote soon.
 
efcblue said:
We'll be chopping our squad down massively. What we lack in high earners we make up for in numbers. Players like Peinaar on 50,000 per week (I know, I know, he's not worth a tenth of that) being off the payroll will seriously free up funds. Jagielka said in a very recent interview that over ten players could leave the club.
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If you get rid of ten players on £50k a week you could probably afford two top players with that, you'd have to massively overpay in wages to tempt them to Everton. To put it in relative terms, that's a Rooney and a Kolarov.
 
efcblue said:
Cheers mate. I'm excited for the future. I don't expect radical change but we'll be improving at a better rate than we are now.



Nice to see a different insight. I always thought he was a good keeper but just from what I actually saw and what I heard my opinion changed otherwise. I don't watch him (apart from for England) so I just listen to City fans in this department!



Everyone else seems to have taken my comments in a nice manner. You seem to be the odd one out here.



As I've read, as our bill is below £67m, the increase cap does not apply to us. We can increase it up to and past £67m with sufficient freedom for our first transfer window.

We'll be chopping our squad down massively. What we lack in high earners we make up for in numbers. Players like Peinaar on 50,000 per week (I know, I know, he's not worth a tenth of that) being off the payroll will seriously free up funds. Jagielka said in a very recent interview that over ten players could leave the club.

Furthermore, with the arrival of Moshiri, he's been brining in his own people. Actual businessmen on the board instead of the theatre owner who thinks he understands business. It means we'll be receiving income which will blow our current pathetic deals out of the water, further increasing our wage cap through own revenue.

Don't want to talk about Everton too much, my initial post was about Hart, but felt I should clear this up.
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All the best, but shipping 10 players out in one window is a lot harder than one might imagine. We've been in the process of shipping deadwood out for a few years now...it never seems to end!
 
aguero93:20 said:
If you get rid of ten players on £50k a week you could probably afford two top players with that, you'd have to massively overpay in wages to tempt them to Everton. To put it in relative terms, that's a Rooney and a Kolarov.
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You're missing the bigger picture. It's not a flat value. It's influenced by dozens of other factors, like own revenue.
 
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