EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Mëtal Bikër said:
But the arguement was that Norway, despite not being a member, has to accept 100% of EU laws in order to trade.
This shows it's nonsense.

It's choice of regulations work in the same way. If it works for Norway they accept the regulation, if it doesn't they reject it. Norway wants to have a good trading relationship with the EU, its not seeking to antagonise. There is nothing to suggest the UK could not have a similar healthy, friendly relationship with the EU without the need to be a member.
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Instead of trying to find something to try and support your case try to find the truth. That goes for all of you. To many on here only want info to support their prejudices
 
Monkfish said:
No, it had to accept all the ones that relate to trade with the eu.it has, except one on postmen or something

It's probably a lot more compliant than Italy

Ps it also had to accept free movement of people

Exodus...
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I don't care about free movement of people though. Its not a negative to me personally in my decision to leave.
 
hazmcfc said:
how about the pound will drop below 1:1 against the euro?
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Everyone in the uk immediately starts shrinking and we become a nation of tiny people. People from Europe visit us and laugh and go 'Orr they though they were right and look at them now ' ; our tourist industry goes through the roof and we overtake the USA as the most successful economy in the world
 
But Norway has to pay a subscription, accept free movement of people, and has zero say on EU rules or policy. Hardly Camelot is it? The other thing is it's a very small country with a small population lots of oil. We have a huge population, the oil is running out, and our manufacturing industry has been decimated by successive governments. We can't even feed ourselves!

If we pay a subscription like Norway does it will have to come out of the 'savings'. And BJ has already promised the farmers they will still get their subsidies. So how much 'savings' will be left?
 
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kevin horlocks wand said:
Everyone in the uk immediately starts shrinking and we become a nation of tiny people. People from Europe visit us and laugh and go 'Orr they though they were right and look at them now ' ; our tourist industry goes through the roof and we overtake the USA as the most successful economy in the world
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yeah this upcoming referendum is all fun and games isn't it.
 
Monkfish said:
Instead of trying to find something to try and support your case try to find the truth. That goes for all of you. To many on here only want info to support their prejudices
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Truth in what?

You never make yourself clear on what you mean whenever you say this. People who have decided to leave have done so on their own personal feelings on the EU.
I haven't swallowed any of the tripe from eithe campaign. If this page is about debating the effectiveness and truth of the EU referendum campaigns, i'm pretty sure everyone now is agreed that they are both equally as repugnant.

Does the EU want ever closer integration? Yes. Do I want that? No.
Is the EU pushing to create an EU Army? Yes. Do I want that? No.
Are EU commissioners accountable for their actions and can we, the voting public, remove them? No.
Anything else is 'debatable', such as has the EU been great for Britain? In my opinion no, not any more.
Is the Eurozone strengthening economically? No, I don't think it is.
Are other economic zones more attractive? Yes.
Can we freely choose to trade with these economic zones as we wish, unless already being negotiated by the EU? No.

Well there's seven reasons, there are plenty more. The Lisbon Treaty Referendums in France, Netherlands and Ireland are also influential. Past statements made by Barroso, Von Rompuy, Juncker about the EU and what they want it to be have also rankled and were what first caused me to doubt it. I've been over this all already and your yourself stated you can at least respect my opinion in that case as my choice to vote leave. Have you forgotten?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
But the arguement was that Norway, despite not being a member, has to accept 100% of EU laws in order to trade.
This shows it's nonsense.

It's choice of regulations work in the same way. If it works for Norway they accept the regulation, if it doesn't they reject it. Norway wants to have a good trading relationship with the EU, its not seeking to antagonise. There is nothing to suggest the UK could not have a similar healthy, friendly relationship with the EU without the need to be a member.
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I agree, and we can, and will - we have no choice and neither do they. We NEED each other certainly for the immediate future. The question is how much will our freedom cost us (it's mad to think it will come for free) - but the EU can't afford to get nasty, as it'll hurt them too. It's a bit like a divorce I suppose - the more acrimonious the more we'll both suffer.
 
FanchesterCity said:
I agree, and we can, and will - we have no choice and neither do they. We NEED each other certainly for the immediate future. The question is how much will our freedom cost us (it's mad to think it will come for free) - but the EU can't afford to get nasty, as it'll hurt them too. It's a bit like a divorce I suppose - the more acrimonious the more we'll both suffer.
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Why do we need each other for the immediate future?
 
FanchesterCity said:
I agree, and we can, and will - we have no choice and neither do they. We NEED each other certainly for the immediate future. The question is how much will our freedom cost us (it's mad to think it will come for free) - but the EU can't afford to get nasty, as it'll hurt them too. It's a bit like a divorce I suppose - the more acrimonious the more we'll both suffer.
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Though it could be in their interests to make sure no other country things of leaving the EU... in which case they could choose to go very nasty.. who knows?
 
BrianW said:
But Norway has to pay a subscription, accept free movement of people, and has zero say on EU rules or policy. Hardly Camelot is it? The other thing is it's a very small country with a small population lots of oil. We have a huge population, the oil is running out, and our manufacturing industry has been decimated by successive governments. We can't even feed ourselves!

If we pay a subscription like Norway does it will have to come out of the 'savings'. And BJ has already promised the farmers they will still get their subsidies. So how much 'savings' will be left?
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We are NOT Norway.

Norways GDP $366,873m, the UKs GDP 2,760,960m, with a GDP approximately 7.5 times bigger than Norways gives us a slightly stronger starting position. Plus please be aware if we vote to leave, when we do actually leave and take our money out of the EU budget things will look significantly different to how they look now. Strengths and negotiating stances will be very different.

All the inners have done is to say how it will affect us and I don't think I've seen anyone on here acknowledging what the impact will be on the EU and how it will affect them and their position and stance.
 
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