I understand why its difficult to negotiate during the euros but we had enough conversations with Stones and his agent before hand, to know what they looking for...why do we have to wait until after the Euro's have finished before we start making official bids? That part of the transaction is between the clubs..
A good question but the answer may well be yes. The reason most likely is the players ability on the ball which fits neatly into the football philosophy and practice of our new manager. Smalling has had a fairly good season and is turning into a competent no nonsense defender which suits the framework of the England manager. It is no real surprise that Stones who did not enjoy a great season has fallen behind in the pecking order.Im a big fan of stones but would we really want to spend over £40 million on a player who can't get in the squad over smalling
That would be professional, sensible and efficient. Everton will want a right 'song and dance' to ensure that they get the maximum fee possible and to show their supporters they sold against their will. Expect Sterling Mark 2 from another set of dippers.
Since their takeover there is a strong belief at Goodison that they are able to hang onto their best players. It will not be easy to prise them away as they have been promised 'big signings' themselves. The reality is that the player will be the one who ultimately decides. I agree that this could drag on somewhat and mirror the Lescott deal causing some more ill feeling between the clubs.
He's decent enough but i remain to be convinced that he is worth breaking the bank for, especially when some of our young EDS defensive players are showing such promise.
thing is though their new investor wont splash that much every season? plus they have huge debts and if aiming for Europe then become open to FFP.
Playing devils Advocate haven't they relaxed FFP for new "money" after the Italian clubs went crying their eyes out to UEFA.
Since their takeover there is a strong belief at Goodison that they are able to hang onto their best players. It will not be easy to prise them away as they have been promised 'big signings' themselves. The reality is that the player will be the one who ultimately decides. I agree that this could drag on somewhat and mirror the Lescott deal causing some more ill feeling between the clubs.
He's decent enough but i remain to be convinced that he is worth breaking the bank for, especially when some of our young EDS defensive players are showing such promise.
thing is though their new investor wont splash that much every season? plus they have huge debts and if aiming for Europe then become open to FFP.
Premier League FFP - which they voted for - will be their un-doing. They can't bring too many big names in because of the limitations on wage growth. To hang on to Stones they will need to match or get close to the kind of package we'd offer and similarly match a PSG package for Lukaku. If they do keep those two - there will be plenty more who want parity or at least an uplift in the present squad - so they'll see huge wage growth in the present squad just because they are deemed to have money! So they won't be bringing in a legion of superstars just yet because they can't increase their wage bill too much under the restrictive PL FFP rules. Serves em right.
Don't confuse England starting places, with what someone is supposedly worth!
Stones pisses on Smalling and Cahill. He is paying the price for being poorly managed/coached at Everton last season. Sure he made mistakes too, that can't be denied, but the lad is class in my opinion.
It's very telling when you have arguably 2 of the best managers in world football in Pep and Mourinho, who both have completely differing styles and ideas on how a team should set-up, yet both of these really want Stones.
For me the only test Stones has to pass is the mentality test. An English signing for a huge fee always attracts attention and its how he copes withy it all, he'll make mistakes, like every player, but if he thought he was under the spotlight this season just gone, just wait til he signs for us for £40mil +.
For what it's worth, with his talent playing under Pep, I think he'll blow everyone away.
Did Stones sign a new contract after the Chelsea bids failed?
Summed up pretty well. The main objective and priority for Everton should be a new Ground with a 60k capacity with a long term sponsor of this new ground, once they get a new ground they can move forward as a club pretty rapidly with sponsor bending over backwards to sponsor them Everton is a huge club.
Yes it does, arrogant pricks.Premier League FFP - which they voted for - will be their un-doing. They can't bring too many big names in because of the limitations on wage growth. To hang on to Stones they will need to match or get close to the kind of package we'd offer and similarly match a PSG package for Lukaku. If they do keep those two - there will be plenty more who want parity or at least an uplift in the present squad - so they'll see huge wage growth in the present squad just because they are deemed to have money! So they won't be bringing in a legion of superstars just yet because they can't increase their wage bill too much under the restrictive PL FFP rules. Serves em right.
Summed up pretty well. The main objective and priority for Everton should be a new Ground with a 60k capacity with a long term sponsor of this new ground, once they get a new ground they can move forward as a club pretty rapidly with sponsor bending over backwards to sponsor them Everton is a huge club.
You're being extremely naïve if you honestly think City and Stones' agent have had no discussions whatsoever about him coming to our club. At the very least we'll have been informed that he's interested in joining (if he wasn't we'd have distanced ourselves from the whole thing a long time ago), more likely we've discussed financial terms as well, plus we'll have explained where Guardiola sees him in his plans etc. We won't have agreed a fee with Everton, but we'll have been given an indication that selling Stones is something they'd consider for the right price.
It's equally naïve of you to say "money is no issue to us now". FFP means having an extremely wealthy owner can only help so much, he can spend on infrastructure and things like that but you still need to spend what your earn and are seriously limited in what he can invest in the side. If you're expecting him to be financing a huge spending spree or throwing £100,000+ wages at your squad then you're likely to be disappointed. Everton's chances of challenging near the top of the Premier League will be hampered as long as you're hamstrung by an antiquated stadium which is simply completely unsuited to modern football and the revenue making ability that is required by it.
Will Stones join City? I simply don't know. But to suggest there's been no negotiating just won't be accurate.
that being said mate, despite your new investment, do you think stones will still be an everton player come the end of august, because i don't
If Everton replied to us with a not for sale at any fee I would say the Everton fan might have a point, but give us a call after the euros sounds like a green light to me.
Skimmed through your post.
City and Stones have not entered negotiations. Everton have been contacted, City have been told to wait until after the Euros and that a lot of money will be required. Money is of no issue to Everton anymore, transfers are purely to dodge the slalom that is FFP. All this I know to be an absolute fact.
I was very hopeful of it a month ago. I was sure that Lukaku was going and Stones would stay.
Now, it appears as though the opposite is the case. Funny how things change. I assume Koeman has made a decision and deemed Stones expendable in order to improve the squad. I can see why he'd value a proven 25+ goal per season striker over a defender, but I would honestly prefer if we kept Stones; he has a high skill ceiling.
As I've said, the investment has made money no issue. The issue now is FFP and Stones' sale would allow Koeman to make the transfers he needs to improve the squad in the areas that need improvement.