Racist incidents on the rise?

laserblue said:
I have neighbours who are both second generation British Asian and the husband is a doctor in the NHS. The wife told me this morning that when she was taking the kids to school some scrote shouted at her "Why are you still here?". On top of that when she got out of her car to call in a shop on the way home another one snarled at her "Why don't you lot all fuck off?" She said it was the first time she or any of her family had been racially abused in the street for well over a decade and this morning it happened to her twice in the space of an hour. To say she was upset is putting it very mildly indeed.

But keep pretending none of this is happening.
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I think more and more we're going to find people saying "prove it" when people recount their own recent experiences of racism. I'm already reading apologists making noises about how there hasn't been a rise in racially motivated attacks it's just that they're getting more publicity. Well whatever the reasons for the spotlight being turned on the racist scum within society how about we deal with the root cause of that racism rather than indulging it. Actually forget that last bit. That ship sailed when the vote came in and the country's various racist political parties began their victory dances.
 
BillyShears said:
It's why I said that I understood what you were trying to say but the way in which you worded it was poor. It makes it sound like your are on the one hand saying racism is inexcusable but on the other hand saying that she was driving like a 'twat' as if that somehow mitigates the fact she was racially abused. As I say I know you're not a racist and I know what you were trying to say. But the way you said it was clumsy.
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I realise i'm no wordsmith.....however,if its been interperated that way then i'm truly confused?

It had been suggested,which i personally found ridiculously self serving...... that such language may have been used because of the vote,my reply was simply offering the real reason for the incident


So lets be very clear......In no way was i excusing such behaviour for that incident or,just to be even fucking clearer.....any other incident,subsequently,i apologise if that is how some of you read my comment.

I'm disappointed and angry that i needed to explain that.
 
laserblue said:
I have neighbours who are both second generation British Asian and the husband is a doctor in the NHS. The wife told me this morning that when she was taking the kids to school some scrote allegedly shouted at her "Why are you still here?". On top of that when she got out of her car to call in a shop on the way home another one allegedly snarled at her "Why don't you lot all fuck off?" She said it was the first time she or any of her family had been racially abused in the street for well over a decade and this morning it happened to her twice in the space of an hour. To say she was upset is putting it very mildly indeed.

But keep pretending none of this is happening.
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For the benefit of some on here, I've made the necessary corrections ;)
 
FantasyIreland said:
I'm disappointed and angry that i needed to explain that.
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I'm sure you are mate. I get that. But i'm sure you'll get that I am disappointed and angry that there is now a rise in right wing fuckwittery happening across the UK because racists feel emboldened by the vote to leave the EU.
 
BillyShears said:
I don't think it's sad. I think I'm a grown man and if i'd decided to vote "leave" i'd have been mature enough to accept that by aligning my political position with a **** like Farrage I was probably going to be tarred with his brush, regardless of my personal reasons for wanting to vote that way.
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So what you're saying is that personalities are more important than policies. I also don't like Farage but I wouldn't let that stop me from voting on the issues.
I personally think leave was the wrong option for economic reasons, hence I voted remain.

BillyShears said:
I'm sure you are mate. I get that. But i'm sure you'll get that I am disappointed and angry that there is now a rise in right wing fuckwittery happening across the UK because racists feel emboldened by the vote to leave the EU.
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As I said earlier, this rise of 57% in the last few days only equates to one additional incident in an area with a population the size of Greater Manchester. It's far too early to tell if it's anything more than a blip.
 
BillyShears said:
I'm sure you are mate. I get that. But i'm sure you'll get that I am disappointed and angry that there is now a rise in right wing fuckwittery happening across the UK because racists feel emboldened by the vote to leave the EU.
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Yes,its an abhorent by-product of the decision that i certainly didnt see coming,unfortunately and despairingly,these despicable creatures dont require an excuse but having one handed to them is as sad as it gets.
 
FantasyIreland said:
Yes,its an abhorent by-product of the decision that i certainly didnt see coming,unfortunately and despairingly,these despicable creatures dont require an excuse but having one handed to them is as sad as it gets.
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Pretty much mate. As I said in my reply to Stony earlier, I understand people voted based on the policies which effected them. I have friends who voted to leave. But for me, regardless of what the economic benefits may or may not have been of voting to leave, a vote to leave for me would've symbolised a vote for the far right and as such I was never going to go that way.
 
BillyShears said:
Pretty much mate. As I said in my reply to Stony earlier, I understand people voted based on the policies which effected them. I have friends who voted to leave. But for me, regardless of what the economic benefits may or may not have been of voting to leave, a vote to leave for me would've symbolised a vote for the far right and as such I was never going to go that way.
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It would have just as much been a vote for the far left. Corbyn could barely bring himself to support remain and the likes of Galloway et al were supporters of Leave.
 
west didsblue said:
So what you're saying is that personalities are more important than policies. I also don't like Farage but I wouldn't let that stop me from voting on the issues.
I personally think leave was the wrong option for economic reasons, hence I voted remain.
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Actually no that's an incredibly lazy characterisation of what I said. I never said that personalities were more important than policies. I said that I would've accepted if I were to vote to leave the EU that that vote would probably have seen me be accused of being a racist as so much of the leave campaign was driven by racism. It's hard for anyone to dispute this since the evidence is clear in the Leave campaigns disgusting anti-immigration campaign and rhetoric.
 
west didsblue said:
It would have just as much been a vote for the far left. Corbyn could barely bring himself to support remain and the likes of Galloway et al were supporters of Leave.
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No it wouldn't, no matter how many times you say it, because ultimately the almost ENTIRE Leave campaign was a racially divisive one. This wasn't about centre right or centre left politics. It was purely a referendum on immigration and foreigners. The fact that after the fact so many people who voted to leave are saying that they did it for economic or "policy" reasons doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me. They voted in line with all the right wing racists parties in Britain. They have to live with that.
 
west didsblue said:
It would have just as much been a vote for the far left. Corbyn could barely bring himself to support remain and the likes of Galloway et al were supporters of Leave.
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Galloway et al? his respect party no longer has a presence does it not, so who is et al. However I'm really struggling with how people are not understanding or are in plain denial of the demographic of Vote Leave. There thankfully is no longer the abhorrent BNP and the self proclaimed English Democrats presence is diminishing, so where did all these BNP voting racists go. Don't forget they had elected MEP's across the North of England so these racists are voting/supporting something/someone. I'd suggest the most nationally visible right wing party is UKIP whose prominent voice is Farage. It is UKIP and Farage who these people probably feel most represents their neolithic views, so its probably fair to say a significant amount of votes for Leave we're cast by these people. Even if Galloway supported out, he is just one man, I argue you can hardly call his opinion speaks for the left.
 
BillyShears said:
Actually no that's an incredibly lazy characterisation of what I said. I never said that personalities were more important than policies. I said that I would've accepted if I were to vote to leave the EU that that vote would probably have seen me be accused of being a racist as so much of the leave campaign was driven by racism. It's hard for anyone to dispute this since the evidence is clear in the Leave campaigns disgusting anti-immigration campaign and rhetoric.
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I don't think it's a lazy characterization at all. You've said that however much you might have agreed with the policies you wouldn't have voted for it to avoid being tarred by the same brush.
 
BillyShears said:
It was purely a referendum on immigration and foreigners. The fact that after the fact so many people who voted to leave are saying that they did it for economic or "policy" reasons doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me. They voted in line with all the right wing racists parties in Britain. They have to live with that.
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What a load of shite!
 
bluemoonmatt said:
Galloway et al? his respect party no longer has a presence does it not, so who is et al. However I'm really struggling with how people are not understanding or are in plain denial of the demographic of Vote Leave. There thankfully is no longer the abhorrent BNP and the self proclaimed English Democrats presence is diminishing, so where did all these BNP voting racists go. Don't forget they had elected MEP's across the North of England so these racists are voting/supporting something/someone. I'd suggest the most nationally visible right wing party is UKIP whose prominent voice is Farage. It is UKIP and Farage who these people probably feel most represents their neolithic views, so its probably fair to say a significant amount of votes for Leave we're cast by these people. Even if Galloway supported out, he is just one man, I argue you can hardly call his opinion speaks for the left.
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I was talking about the far left, not the left in general. Look at the Socialist Worker website and you'll see how anti-EU it is. Check the Communist party website as well.
 
west didsblue said:
I don't think it's a lazy characterization at all. You've said that however much you might have agreed with the policies you wouldn't have voted for it to avoid being tarred by the same brush.
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Did I really say that? You need to reread my posts. I don't say that anywhere. As I said you mischaracterised my post. Now you've done it twice so on that basis I'm out.
 
BillyShears said:
Did I really say that? You need to reread my posts. I don't say that anywhere. As I said you mischaracterised my post. Now you've done it twice so on that basis I'm out.
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Think you need to read your own posts
BillyShears said:
I don't think it's sad. I think I'm a grown man and if i'd decided to vote "leave" i'd have been mature enough to accept that by aligning my political position with a **** like Farrage I was probably going to be tarred with his brush, regardless of my personal reasons for wanting to vote that way.
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