Sam Allardyce

[SpiritofBurnden]

Big Sam is a good PL manager but nothing more.

We have good PL players and nothing more, so perhaps we should start choosing managers who can get the best out of them rather than pretending that they're all world beaters and only a world class manager can do the job. Picking a team that plays to its strengths, where players know exactly what it is they're supposed to be doing, would be a start.

 

[city2]

We've had a god fearing manager with Hoddle, we've had the wally with the brolly McLaren and the dinosaur Hodgson, so now we're going for big Sam who guarantee"s we won't finish bottom of any competition, the FA have not got the balls to start afresh and bring the players through the different levels, we will always have a national team that won't achieve anything apart from beating Wales and teams of that level because that's where we are at.

 

[daztrueblue91]

We have good PL players and nothing more, so perhaps we should start choosing managers who can get the best out of them rather than pretending that they're all world beaters and only a world class manager can do the job. Picking a team that plays to its strengths, where players know exactly what it is they're supposed to be doing, would be a start.

Each to their own but I can easily envisage a situation almost like when Moyes went to United and the players just don't respect him.

England is a team full of players who have played in the CL and competed for and won major honours. It is a huge difference between doing that and avoiding relegation every year.

I simply cannot understand how a manager who got sacked from West Ham as they believed he could not take them forward, and has narrowly kept Sunderland in the PL is even in consideration for a job of this magnitude. It's irrelevant what he achieved at Bolton because that was a decade ago. The game has drastically changed since then. If we are going to use that to boost his credentials then Redknapp should still be in the running. At least he has managed in the CL and has won an FA Cup.

No one whatsoever can complain about England being a failure if we are going to keep employing 3rd rate managers.

 

[Blue Hefner]

The 'players won't respect' him isn't really an argument. The players haven't a fucking leg to stand on! They have won 1, yes 1, knock out game in 10 years - I'd suggest he doesn't respect them

Get back to basics. As a national team, we are above the relegation zone. He will steady the ship, phase out the shite(he won't be allowed to turf them out) in time for the next manager to take it on

Can't go wrong with him. We will walk qualifying and will hold our own at the WC

 

[SpiritofBurnden]

Each to their own but I can easily envisage a situation almost like when Moyes went to United and the players just don't respect him.

England is a team full of players who have played in the CL and competed for and won major honours. It is a huge difference between doing that and avoiding relegation every year.

No one whatsoever can complain about England being a failure if we are going to keep employing 3rd rate managers.

Djorkaeff, Anelka and Hierro had won a few trophies. They all respected him.

Capello wasn't a third rate manager but he couldn't get the England team to perform at a major tournament.

 

[blue cigar]

Give it pelligrini ffs,he's in a different class to sam bastard allardyce.

 

[mancunial]

Ferguson advising gill says it all, two of the biggest t--ts involved in football, every new Man U kid on the block will be shoehorned in under the guidance of Sam potatoehead alladyce, my god I give up

 

[Steve68]

We have good PL players and nothing more, so perhaps we should start choosing managers who can get the best out of them rather than pretending that they're all world beaters and only a world class manager can do the job. Picking a team that plays to its strengths, where players know exactly what it is they're supposed to be doing, would be a start.

You're right. Been saying the same thing. We are a mid table side with access to a limited number of quality players. Most of whom aren't playing at the very highest level of European competition on a regular basis.

If England were a premier league team it would struggle to finish in the top 6.

Might as well give the job to someone used to making cheap leather wallets out of pigs ears.

 

[BimboBob]

Christ on a stick. Big Sam with Gary Neville's help.

Fish out of water.

 

[TonyM]

We have good PL players and nothing more, so perhaps we should start choosing managers who can get the best out of them rather than pretending that they're all world beaters and only a world class manager can do the job. Picking a team that plays to its strengths, where players know exactly what it is they're supposed to be doing, would be a start.

100% agree.

IMO they got the concept right last time (get a low key manager) but they got it all wrong by appointing the wrong guy. He's a fraud (just like Rodgers).

Big Sam is no fraud. He does the basics right and IMO that's all you need at international level. Defned corners, attack at corners, hold lines, press, know where the ball is going to be delivered, etc. The few class players England have will come to the fore if the foundations around them are solid. No more of this "lets find a place for Rooney" with Sam I'd bet.

 

[Cellarite]

Each to their own but I can easily envisage a situation almost like when Moyes went to United and the players just don't respect him.

England is a team full of players who have played in the CL and competed for and won major honours. It is a huge difference between doing that and avoiding relegation every year.

I simply cannot understand how a manager who got sacked from West Ham as they believed he could not take them forward, and has narrowly kept Sunderland in the PL is even in consideration for a job of this magnitude. It's irrelevant what he achieved at Bolton because that was a decade ago. The game has drastically changed since then. If we are going to use that to boost his credentials then Redknapp should still be in the running. At least he has managed in the CL and has won an FA Cup.

No one whatsoever can complain about England being a failure if we are going to keep employing 3rd rate managers.

First of all, he didn't get sacked from West Ham. His contract was up and neither side wanted to continue. You've got that bit wrong.
Secondly, narrowly avoiding relegation after taking over a team with 3 points from 8 matches is quite a good achievement.

 

[Crouchinho]

Players always graft under Fat Sam. He's dealt with total pricks like Diouf and got them playing well. Still underwhelmed but still an upgrade

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

I dont understand why managers like fat sam and 'arry redknapp are they looked at as decent managers?! What have they done. They are shite.

You could say the exact same thing about the England players though

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

It really is quite sad if Fat Sam is the best candidate for the job. He doesn't exactly represent modern football.

Again, another comment that is failing to see what the actual issue is. It is not the manager and it hasn't been the managers in the past. It is the players, when they come together as a group are not good enough. Do you think the way England played in the Euro's was what you say 'modern' football ?

It is time to get real, we cannot keep going down the same old path trying to play a continental style of football because the players can't do it. If Allardyce got the job I would bet my house he would say we are shit at trying to copy Spain, Germany, Italy etc etc.....lets do what we are best at and see how we go

 

[avoidconfusion]

Klinsmann should become the new manager. Cannot believe ut will be Fat Sam...what the actual fuck

 

[mat]

Cattermole for Engerland!!!

 

[daztrueblue91]

First of all, he didn't get sacked from West Ham. His contract was up and neither side wanted to continue. You've got that bit wrong.
Secondly, narrowly avoiding relegation after taking over a team with 3 points from 8 matches is quite a good achievement.

That's just arguing the technicalities.

You're right in the sense that his contract expired rather than he was sacked but West Ham still obviously thought that he was not the right man to take them forward. Letting someone leave or sacking someone still means that the club do not think they are good enough.

Also, I never played down his achievements at Sunderland or any club for that matter. I actually think he did some of his best work at Blackburn and they fell apart once he left. Allardyce is a decent PL manager and any club who wants to ensure PL survival would be crazy to turn him down.

That said, I do believe that managers have certain skill sets and there are a number of 'safe' PL managers. By that I mean managers who are too good to be relegated but not good enough to take teams to the next level. Pulis, Hughes, Allardyce and arguably Pardrew all fit that bracket.

I think people are too quick to judge England and over hype all of the problems. The next manager will be walking into a young and talented squad. A team which now will have learned the harsh lessons of the Euro's. It's like when people say that City need 10 new signings. People are quick to write off players after a bad run of form.

Like I previously said, if the FA are adamant that they want an English manager then Allardyce should and will get the job. Does that mean that he is the best overall candidate? That is a resounding no IMO.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Klinsmann should become the new manager. Cannot believe ut will be Fat Sam...what the actual fuck

That would be my reaction if we got that German.

 

[TonyM]

Klinsmann is nothing special and would pay too much respect IMO.

Big Sam is much better. Is respected by English players. English players know he's boss. Doesn't give a shit what anyone else thinks. Knows his shit. I bet he'll be phenomenal.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Without question the best man for the job. The perfect man for the level the England team are at - and I genuinely don't mean that pejoratively to him.