Did any of you lot watch hart in the champions league last season?
One bad euros and people are saying we should get rid; madness
How is keeping more clean sheets than any other premier league keeper 4 out of the last 6 seasons I'll-suited to any manager? He was only one game off the golden glove last season, so the ' it's all about the defence' argument can't really stand up either.
No offence mate but I doubt anybody is commenting based on his form for England. Its his all round game that is being questioned and wherever or not he can adapt enough to be Peps number one.Did any of you lot watch hart in the champions league last season?
One bad euros and people are saying we should get rid; madness
I think he can adapt personally; his distribution was woeful years ago but it has slowly improved. It's still a weak point of his game admittedly; but pep is in the top 3 coaches in the world and I think he can improvePeople can't seem to understand its not down to Hart's ability, its down to the way Pep wants his teams to play and what he requires from his goalkeepers. Hart just doesn't have the ability on the ball to play from the back - I can't stand the talk of him leaving and want him to be with us until he retires, but simply put, he's not right for the way we want to play.
Maybe he can adapt and prove us all wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves in the next couple of season.
Did any of you lot watch hart in the champions league last season?
One bad euros and people are saying we should get rid; madness
Did any of you lot watch hart in the champions league last season?
One bad euros and people are saying we should get rid; madness
Non taken mate, everyone is allowed an opinion ;)No offence mate but I doubt anybody is commenting based on his form for England. Its his all round game that is being questioned and wherever or not he can adapt enough to be Peps number one.
Some people think he can some others don't. That's all there is to it. The Euros are nothing to do with the present situation.
With Lukaku probably on his way to Chelsea, I wonder if the Bony plus cash offer for Stones can be resurrected? It's a good solution as neither party will have blinked/lost face over the fee as it will be a completely different deal.
Is this the john stones thread!
I asked the same question myselfIs this the john stones thread!
Tbh it doesn't matter how good he is as a keeper if he doesn't cope with the way Pep wants to play.
If we are picking a keeper then deciding on our playing style to suit him then Joe could be the first name on the sheet. We have brought in a manager to play football in a particular way. Joe has to be able to do that. If he can't he'll be dropped.
We are not trying to sign Stones because he is the best defender we could sign. We are looking at his distribution. Same thing.
His distribution does need improving no question, but let's give him a chance! People seem to be cool with selling him but who on earth do we replace him with of equal calibre?I did watch and I like Hart but he needs to improve his distribution no question only time will tell if he is capable of that
However you don't spend 3 or 4 years pursuing the best manager in the world then make him use players he is not happy with
Unfortunately there will be casualties under Pep some will be fans favourites
But surely we must back and trust him to improve the team and any position he feels necessary
Why what's happening ?
Actually you were wrong,http://www.espnfc.us/juventus/story...o-keep-carlos-tevez-andrea-pirlo-says-marottaTevez and Pirlo wrong examples. Oldies that Juve wanted to get rid anyway. And yes, we know Pogba wants to leave as his agent is working on a transfer in public. And Juve stick to their price whatever so far.
The rest you mention is a wild guess especially in today 's market. All those who think Everton feks up to me sound like spoiling babies who don't get what they want.
Btw l'm very optimistic we will get Stones and l for one don't care what we need to pay. If Pep wants him that's all tht matters.
I trust pep 100%, I just think though first and foremost a goalkeeper should be good at doing his main job; which hart definitely is no question
I believe Pep can help improve his distribution, he is one of the best coaches in the world after all
His distribution does need improving no question, but let's give him a chance! People seem to be cool with selling him but who on earth do we replace him with of equal calibre?
Tbh it doesn't matter how good he is as a keeper if he doesn't cope with the way Pep wants to play.
If we are picking a keeper then deciding on our playing style to suit him then Joe could be the first name on the sheet. We have brought in a manager to play football in a particular way. Joe has to be able to do that. If he can't he'll be dropped.
We are not trying to sign Stones because he is the best defender we could sign. We are looking at his distribution. Same thing.
A ball playing CB is currently higher priority than a ball playing goal keeper; if Joe can't cut it after one year then maybe you're right; but at the moment pep obviously has higher properties on his list otherwise we'd be putting in bids for established goalkeepers who do have better distribution than HartBut would the same apply to the centre backs, ie we forget Stones for example & sign a big strong decender who isn't great at passing the ball, but is great at defending & 'might' learn to pass it therefore change the way we play until he gets it ?
Or do we start by passing from the back from the first game, thus sign Stones or drop Fernandinho for example back there , or play Denayer ?
How long do we wait before playing Pep's style ?
You make some good points; however I can see why people are making the argument for having a goalkeeper who does have good distribution skills as wellI know Pep and Pellegrini are light years apart in terms of their managerial ability but I will be honest, it still scares the shit out of me the idea that we are more bothered about how good a defender is at passing than how good he is at defending and even more so that we are probably more bothered about how good a keeper is at passing than how good he is at stopping the ball going into his net. I miss the good old days when it was possible to play balanced, attractive, attacking football without every single member of the team needing to play like Pele.
Just chill. It will get done. We will take the rest of the window if needs be - we're not in the rush many believe us to be.
The lad only wants to come here, which only strengthens our position. Stones would probably hand in yet another transfer request if Everton continue to stand firm.
Everton couldn't expose either the team or the player to such a fall out.
I still suspect we might see something move before the weekend, once they improve their Ashley Williams offer.