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Slovakia v England match thread
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Blue Hefner
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Re his comments on Rooney can 'play where he wants' - imagine if you asked Guariola, Mourinho, Conte etc a similar question they would be able to explain in great detail where he can/cannot play and where he should/shouldn't be at any given time during a match
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If I made £5k per week, I'd think I'd made it, and I'm 54.Some of them them are on 5 grand a week at 16 and think they've made it.
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It was horrible to watch. The 'only' thing that England need to be a decent team though are a couple of quality attacking midfield players to replace Shrek and Henderson. The disconnect between them and Kane and the wide players is horrible to watch. Dave and Kev would make England a very competitive team.
When you look at the quality that Spain have in AM it makes it even more difficult to understand why England has such a dearth of quality.
Thought John and Raheem played pretty well but nowhere near how they are playing for us.
My exact sentiments. Our supposed creative players, who for the life of them, can't even do the basics of passing the ball.
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Creativity seems to come out of desperation, rather than being set up as a creative team. The through ball seems to be the last thought, as there is nothing else on.
It is clear that Sterling is BY FAR better on the right where he can take on players. Then, BFS puts him back in the left in the second half for??? Before you know it, Walcott comes on for him and goes.....on the right!!!
England need Dier and Henderson (the new Gerrard?!) to anchor the midfield, as it seems like there is no-one else! Beyond that, Lallana, Dele Alli and Sterling look like the best young hopes across the AM line, with Walcott, Oxlaide Chamberlain & Rooney as alternatives. Up front, Kane is lost, Sturridge is an enigma (in the worst sense of the word) and Vardy is a rabbit in a team that needs a fox!
We look pretty solid from the back forward, but within 30m, we seem to run out of ideas. It is a problem ALL teams seem to face, but when faced with the problem, the answer is WIDTH...which is where the goal came from with an overlapping FB!
I have read the allusions to Pep, and while I understand what the poster(s) are getting at, it is a fairly stagnant, pedestrian version of the idea. Yes, England want to play with a deep midfielder slotting in between CHs, while the FBs come forward and in/out depending upon the player ahead. However, ahead of that the stagnation and running in your allotted channel, as opposed to the rotation and creation of space Pep demands are not in evidence. Is that the lack of quality of the players, the thoughts of the coach, or just the English mentality? Not sure it is not all three!!!
Think Lallana was the only spark until Dele Alli came on in behind the striker. Sturridge did his usual "wander around and shoot from anywhere whenever the fuck he feels like it!"
Didn't read the whole thread, but was there any discussion of the disallowed goal? Defender played it, so he must have been onside....or did I miss something that someone discovered???
By breakfast tomorrow, this will just be 3 points on the board. However, against a team that (SHOCKER...Skrtel was sent off!!!) were down to 10 men for a large part of the game, it was not particularly evident they were down to 10 men! With the player advantage, and control of the ball, it should have been a training match with their goal being peppered. There was MAYBE 5 mins of that, when Lallana hit the post and we had a few chances, but considering the gulf in supposed quality and the man advantage, the best that can be said is BFS got 3 points and England showed they will "fight to the end!" Beyond that, the performance will strike fear into no one!
It is clear that Sterling is BY FAR better on the right where he can take on players. Then, BFS puts him back in the left in the second half for??? Before you know it, Walcott comes on for him and goes.....on the right!!!
England need Dier and Henderson (the new Gerrard?!) to anchor the midfield, as it seems like there is no-one else! Beyond that, Lallana, Dele Alli and Sterling look like the best young hopes across the AM line, with Walcott, Oxlaide Chamberlain & Rooney as alternatives. Up front, Kane is lost, Sturridge is an enigma (in the worst sense of the word) and Vardy is a rabbit in a team that needs a fox!
We look pretty solid from the back forward, but within 30m, we seem to run out of ideas. It is a problem ALL teams seem to face, but when faced with the problem, the answer is WIDTH...which is where the goal came from with an overlapping FB!
I have read the allusions to Pep, and while I understand what the poster(s) are getting at, it is a fairly stagnant, pedestrian version of the idea. Yes, England want to play with a deep midfielder slotting in between CHs, while the FBs come forward and in/out depending upon the player ahead. However, ahead of that the stagnation and running in your allotted channel, as opposed to the rotation and creation of space Pep demands are not in evidence. Is that the lack of quality of the players, the thoughts of the coach, or just the English mentality? Not sure it is not all three!!!
Think Lallana was the only spark until Dele Alli came on in behind the striker. Sturridge did his usual "wander around and shoot from anywhere whenever the fuck he feels like it!"
Didn't read the whole thread, but was there any discussion of the disallowed goal? Defender played it, so he must have been onside....or did I miss something that someone discovered???
By breakfast tomorrow, this will just be 3 points on the board. However, against a team that (SHOCKER...Skrtel was sent off!!!) were down to 10 men for a large part of the game, it was not particularly evident they were down to 10 men! With the player advantage, and control of the ball, it should have been a training match with their goal being peppered. There was MAYBE 5 mins of that, when Lallana hit the post and we had a few chances, but considering the gulf in supposed quality and the man advantage, the best that can be said is BFS got 3 points and England showed they will "fight to the end!" Beyond that, the performance will strike fear into no one!
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Until rughead is fucked off from the England team I have no interest.
cleavers
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@1961_vintage looks like you've caught another :)
A serious attempt at humour or just excess of drink ?
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@1961_vintage looks like you've caught another :)
Certainly did - still in a stupor after a scintillating England performance.
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The fuck is wrong with you lot? Are any of you English?!
Yes, just a shame the England team is poor. Wanting them to do well against some of the better teams we will come up against seems a bit wishful thinking. Hope they do much better, but with the quality of play tonight with BFS and for a long time under Roy, not hopeful of a change in style or fortune.
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Expected what we saw from a fat Sam team. doesn't help with the options he has either though. We'll do nothing whilst Rooney an Henderson are in midfield.
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Expected what we saw from a fat Sam team. doesn't help with the options he has either though. We'll do nothing whilst Rooney an Henderson are in midfield.
or the team.
Paul Lake's Left Knee
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Expected what we saw from a fat Sam team. doesn't help with the options he has either though. We'll do nothing whilst Rooney an Henderson are in midfield.
He doesnt have many options, but he left our two best creative attacking midfielders out of the squad and picked Lallana, Rooney and Henderson instead and we wonder why it was turgid and dull.
Neville Kneville
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Expected what we saw from a fat Sam team. doesn't help with the options he has either though. We'll do nothing whilst Rooney an Henderson are in midfield.
If Jack Wilshire wasn't such a fucking twat shithead waster, he would walk into that team. There is lierally no creative talent at all in midfield, just Rooney pretending, & John Stones who is a better footballer than the various troglodytes who are supposed to do the job, but is a central defender.
What should happen is we should fuck off the next couple of tournaments, put someone like Eddie Howe in charge and dump everyone over about 23. Just keep trying kids from various reserve/youth teams until we find a bunch to go with Stones etc.
There is absolutely no point in trying to combine that bunch of neanderthals & Fat Sam into a tournament team. It is just a waste of fucking time. The best they will achieve if everything goes right, is failure without humiliation.
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Wilshere and Barkley ? You seriously don't think they'd add much ?he left our two best creative attacking midfielders out of the squad
The real issue has been alluded too earlier in the thread, if Allardyce is the best English coach we have (I'm sure he's not, but I also think he would be able to do a better job if allowed - he won't be), then its little wonder we have so little talent coming through, given what the level of coaching must be like well below this level.
The whole structure needs to be completely overhauled, but there are too many with vested interests who won't ever vote for change.
Could be worse I guess, England could be being held by Malta......
Paul Lake's Left Knee
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Wilshere and Barkley ? You seriously don't think they'd add much ?
The real issue has been alluded too earlier in the thread, if Allardyce is the best English coach we have (I'm sure he's not, but I also think he would be able to do a better job if allowed - he won't be), then its little wonder we have so little talent coming through, given what the level of coaching must be like well below this level.
The whole structure needs to be completely overhauled, but there are too many with vested interests who won't ever vote for change.
Could be worse I guess, England could be being held by Malta......
More than Lallana, Rooney and Henderson yes I do.
Appoint a manager who's won fuck all and his only claim to fame is never being relegated and you reap what you sow. And Ross Barkley doesn't even get in the squad, pmsl.If Jack Wilshire wasn't such a fucking twat shithead waster, he would walk into that team. There is lierally no creative talent at all in midfield, just Rooney pretending, & John Stones who is a better footballer than the various troglodytes who are supposed to do the job, but is a central defender.
What should happen is we should fuck off the next couple of tournaments, put someone like Eddie Howe in charge and dump everyone over about 23. Just keep trying kids from various reserve/youth teams until we find a bunch to go with Stones etc.
There is absolutely no point in trying to combine that bunch of neanderthals & Fat Sam into a tournament team. It is just a waste of fucking time. The best they will achieve if everything goes right, is failure without humiliation.
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My point was, not by much, yes they are (can be anyway) better, but 5%, 10%, improvement isn't what is needed.More than Lallana, Rooney and Henderson yes I do.
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Allerdyce isn't qualified to create a team that needs to break down packed defences, he has no experience in it - he is more suited to managing Slovakia
That said, with his defensive organisational skills, we might do something in knockout games
That said, with his defensive organisational skills, we might do something in knockout games
Paul Lake's Left Knee
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My point was, not by much, yes they are (can be anyway) better, but 5%, 10%, improvement isn't what is needed.
And my point is there is no helping someone, if they dont help themselves.
I am not saying those 2 are a solution to all the problems, more like a sticking plaster on a broken leg, but we cant completely reinvent the wheel in a month or so.