Sergio Aguero - 2016/17 performances

[Chi-town blues]

Kun out
Jo in

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I like you PB, that's why im astounded to read this. You do realise his stats are out of this world this season, i know you'll say stats dont tell you everything but for a goal scorer they really do. He's obviously still working on whats being asked of him, pressing alone from the top is tough if its not natural to your game, but to say we should cash on him is LUDICROUS.

Pep has never shrunk from getting rid of very good players if they don't suit his system or he thinks they're not buying into his ideas. And I wouldn't disagree that Aguero is a world class player. But I've been watching him this season and I'm not convinced he's right for a Pep team plus I'm not convinced about his overall team contribution.

How many times do we get the ball down to the goal-line, put a wicked ball in across the face of goal and our main striker is hanging around on the edge of the 18 yard box? I highlighted just two incidents on Wednesday when he was in a terrible position when we were on the attack, rendering himself completely useless.

If he's got the ball and has a sniff of goal he's usually deadly but if he's got the ball and hasn't got a sniff of goal then he usually surrenders possession, even if a team mate is well placed. That's why I'd rather have Suarez, who can see opportunities to play team-mates in, even if he can't score himself. How many times has Aguero created something out of nothing for another player to score? Not many that I can think of.

So I'd be very tempted to cash in while he has some value and take a huge profit, which is something else we rarely manage to do. I think we'd clear £70m or more in the books, which would fund one of MSN or more pertinently two players like Griezemann and Aubameyang. Sounds less daft when you put it that way doesn't it?

 

[Newman Noggs]

Pep has never shrunk from getting rid of very good players if they don't suit his system or he thinks they're not buying into his ideas. And I wouldn't disagree that Aguero is a world class player. But I've been watching him this season and I'm not convinced he's right for a Pep team plus I'm not convinced about his overall team contribution.

How many times do we get the ball down to the goal-line, put a wicked ball in across the face of goal and our main striker is hanging around on the edge of the 18 yard box? I highlighted just two incidents on Wednesday when he was in a terrible position when we were on the attack, rendering himself completely useless.

If he's got the ball and has a sniff of goal he's usually deadly but if he's got the ball and hasn't got a sniff of goal then he usually surrenders possession, even if a team mate is well placed. That's why I'd rather have Suarez, who can see opportunities to play team-mates in, even if he can't score himself. How many times has Aguero created something out of nothing for another player to score? Not many that I can think of.

So I'd be very tempted to cash in while he has some value and take a huge profit, which is something else we rarely manage to do. I think we'd clear £70m or more in the books, which would fund one of MSN or more pertinently two players like Griezemann and Aubameyang. Sounds less daft when you put it that way doesn't it?

It's an unconventional view PB which is why it's attracting the opprobrium it is. I think it's a far from "ludicrous" view and it's entirely feasible the club, with a longer term perspective than the supporter, are thinking along the same lines. Time will tell.

 

[Phil1]

He'll rightly see out the next two years if not his full contract.
Pep has highlighted the fact he wants to make his all round game better and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

 

[snorky]

So I'd be very tempted to cash in while he has some value and take a huge profit, which is something else we rarely manage to do. I think we'd clear £70m or more in the books, which would fund one of MSN or more pertinently two players like Griezemann and Aubameyang. Sounds less daft when you put it that way doesn't it?

I agree....It does sound less daft :)

 

[mcfcphil]

So I'd be very tempted to cash in while he has some value and take a huge profit, which is something else we rarely manage to do. I think we'd clear £70m or more in the books, which would fund one of MSN or more pertinently two players like Griezemann and Aubameyang. Sounds less daft when you put it that way doesn't it?

I don't think it does sound any less daft.
You don't sell your best players and counter the argument with "but we made a great profit".
Spurs said that after Bale, as did United after Ronaldo. "We can invest that money on 2 or 3 top players" etc.
It never works out that way. Sell your best players and you are always weaker as a result.

 

[Newman Noggs]

I don't think it does sound any less daft.
You don't sell your best players and counter the argument with "but we made a great profit".
Spurs said that after Bale, as did United after Ronaldo. "We can invest that money on 2 or 3 top players"

Both the rags and Spurs were forced sales leaving the club's to scratch around for replacements. If it had been a strategic sale at the clubs' discretion and with a definite idea of hiw to change the way they play and/or who might replace the players concerned they might have been more successful.

Furthermore, both clubs were wholly reliant on the player who had outgrown them. We aren't and have to ensure that we never are in that position. I'm not saying that PB is right but I wouldn't say he is wrong either.

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

I don't think it does sound any less daft.
You don't sell your best players and counter the argument with "but we made a great profit".
Spurs said that after Bale, as did United after Ronaldo. "We can invest that money on 2 or 3 top players" etc.
It never works out that way. Sell your best players and you are always weaker as a result.

Agreed. Players like Aguero are almost impossible to acquire when you're competing with the likes of Real and Barca. When you get hold of one and he's proved he's one of the best in the world at your club, you don't get rid for love nor money. If we need cash to finance a deal that can come from getting Yaya off the books.

 

[shevtheblue]

Pep has never shrunk from getting rid of very good players if they don't suit his system or he thinks they're not buying into his ideas. And I wouldn't disagree that Aguero is a world class player. But I've been watching him this season and I'm not convinced he's right for a Pep team plus I'm not convinced about his overall team contribution.

How many times do we get the ball down to the goal-line, put a wicked ball in across the face of goal and our main striker is hanging around on the edge of the 18 yard box? I highlighted just two incidents on Wednesday when he was in a terrible position when we were on the attack, rendering himself completely useless.

If he's got the ball and has a sniff of goal he's usually deadly but if he's got the ball and hasn't got a sniff of goal then he usually surrenders possession, even if a team mate is well placed. That's why I'd rather have Suarez, who can see opportunities to play team-mates in, even if he can't score himself. How many times has Aguero created something out of nothing for another player to score? Not many that I can think of.

So I'd be very tempted to cash in while he has some value and take a huge profit, which is something else we rarely manage to do. I think we'd clear £70m or more in the books, which would fund one of MSN or more pertinently two players like Griezemann and Aubameyang. Sounds less daft when you put it that way doesn't it?

Wait a sec, we're in September and you're arguing he's not suited to Pep's team, even after he has 11 goals in 6 games? The whole point of Pep's tactics (IMO) is that it's not just on the striker to be in the position to score but also the other 4 that have been instructed to have freedom in the final 3rd. Aguero moving between the lines and standing in offside positions creates space for others, which is something KDB usually exploits. I do take your point on assists though, and i suppose that's something Pep wants him to work on.

Let's remember, he's had a couple months worth of training with Pep and it's fairly easy to see the change in work rate. Let's just see.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Both the rags and Spurs were forced sales leaving the club's to scratch around for replacements. If it had been a strategic sale at the clubs' discretion and with a definite idea of hiw to change the way they play and/or who might replace the players concerned they might have been more successful.

Furthermore, both clubs were wholly reliant on the player who had outgrown them. We aren't and have to ensure that we never are in that position. I'm not saying that PB is right but I wouldn't say he is wrong either.

I agree with the points PB is making re Aguero completely. He does swan around when he should be getting tap ins & he isn't doing the job in a Pep team as well as some might, as a team player.

But he's better than Griesmann & Aboomerang put together.

So I think we will only part company if Pep really feels it's impossible to function with him in the team. Which is clearly not the case right now, as he's on course for 50 goals.

 

[waspish]

Right now who would you have instead of Aguero? Cant think of one

 

[Neville Kneville]

Right now who would you have instead of Aguero? Cant think of one

Messi. Or Pep would anyhow.

That's the deal Pep would do, if it was feasible.

Can't think of anyone else.

 

[Andrew___K]

Pep has never shrunk from getting rid of very good players if they don't suit his system or he thinks they're not buying into his ideas. And I wouldn't disagree that Aguero is a world class player. But I've been watching him this season and I'm not convinced he's right for a Pep team plus I'm not convinced about his overall team contribution.

How many times do we get the ball down to the goal-line, put a wicked ball in across the face of goal and our main striker is hanging around on the edge of the 18 yard box? I highlighted just two incidents on Wednesday when he was in a terrible position when we were on the attack, rendering himself completely useless.

If he's got the ball and has a sniff of goal he's usually deadly but if he's got the ball and hasn't got a sniff of goal then he usually surrenders possession, even if a team mate is well placed. That's why I'd rather have Suarez, who can see opportunities to play team-mates in, even if he can't score himself. How many times has Aguero created something out of nothing for another player to score? Not many that I can think of.

So I'd be very tempted to cash in while he has some value and take a huge profit, which is something else we rarely manage to do. I think we'd clear £70m or more in the books, which would fund one of MSN or more pertinently two players like Griezemann and Aubameyang. Sounds less daft when you put it that way doesn't it?

Agree on all the points about Aguero's play, it's obvious that Kun can't function properly in Pep's system right now. His scoring record is brilliant, but I expect him to be more productive in pressing and build-up play.
But let's not go too far stating he's worse than Griezmann. IMO the problem is that he's been used as a highly specialized goal machine since his teens, ruining other bits of his talent. When I watched him for the first time (more than 10 yrs ago), the first thought was 'the new Romario!'. I hope he still has the ability of a link-up player and Pep might help to unleash it. Even wooden Mandzukic became better all-around attacker under Pep, so it's too early to write Kun off.
The idea of cashing in on a player on this calibre doesn't sound realistic, agree with The slaughtered lamb. Think he'll play until he's replaced by a better forward or his contract expires.

 

[kupest]

Hahaha, this thread is gold

 

[City Glory While Others Fade]

Messi. Or Pep would anyhow.

That's the deal Pep would do, if it was feasible.

Can't think of anyone else.

Not complaining about Kun at all but Messi isnt an out an out striker. I do think Suarez fits the Pep role and is the busier player when compared with Kun, maybe a touch better and proven in the EPL. We are lucky to have Kun.....these players come with ego's and trouble and weve had none of that from Kun.

 

[eversince 76]

Pep has never shrunk from getting rid of very good players if they don't suit his system or he thinks they're not buying into his ideas. And I wouldn't disagree that Aguero is a world class player. But I've been watching him this season and I'm not convinced he's right for a Pep team plus I'm not convinced about his overall team contribution.

How many times do we get the ball down to the goal-line, put a wicked ball in across the face of goal and our main striker is hanging around on the edge of the 18 yard box? I highlighted just two incidents on Wednesday when he was in a terrible position when we were on the attack, rendering himself completely useless.

If he's got the ball and has a sniff of goal he's usually deadly but if he's got the ball and hasn't got a sniff of goal then he usually surrenders possession, even if a team mate is well placed. That's why I'd rather have Suarez, who can see opportunities to play team-mates in, even if he can't score himself. How many times has Aguero created something out of nothing for another player to score? Not many that I can think of.

So I'd be very tempted to cash in while he has some value and take a huge profit, which is something else we rarely manage to do. I think we'd clear £70m or more in the books, which would fund one of MSN or more pertinently two players like Griezemann and Aubameyang. Sounds less daft when you put it that way doesn't it?

I get your point, but in a way it is daft. Aguero has just extended his contract and that was under Peps' nose, so he must've somehow agreed to this. I.e. he sees Aguero in his plans, either short or long term. Imo Pep likes to heat up the pressure on Aguero. No wonder he wanted Aubameyang, but he failed to convince him or Dortmund just wouldn't wanna let go. Iheanacho can do it, but is not in the same class as Aguero yet, though making the right steps. Than there is Gabriel Jesus coming in and he will need to adjust. I'd say Aguero is not in a plan to be sold and I'm happy he isn't. But like Pep I like some real competition for him to find out if Aguero can step up. If he can and will there's not a braincell in me wanting him to be sold.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I don't think it does sound any less daft.
You don't sell your best players and counter the argument with "but we made a great profit".
Spurs said that after Bale, as did United after Ronaldo. "We can invest that money on 2 or 3 top players" etc.
It never works out that way. Sell your best players and you are always weaker as a result.

Had I said 2 years ago, just after he'd had an exceptional season for us, that we should sell Yaya, I'd have probably got the same reaction. But I think most of us now accept we should have done just that and cashed in on Yaya when he was at his peak.

Sergio is 28 and we've struggled to keep him fit for a full season. At some point we'll have to replace him and that might have to be sooner rather than later. Getting a premium price is better than getting nothing and if we can use the sale to get two players such as Griezemann, Aubameyang, Lacazette or that Celtic lad Dembele then in my view it's worth doing.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Not complaining about Kun at all but Messi isnt an out an out striker. I do think Suarez fits the Pep role and is the busier player when compared with Kun, maybe a touch better and proven in the EPL. We are lucky to have Kun.....these players come with ego's and trouble and weve had none of that from Kun.

I think Pep would just play without a striker if we had Messi & use Iheanacho etc as backup to change it.

But other than that, the idea of Griesmann etc as a replacement is a huge downgrade imo & isn't going to happen. Not fit to lace Aguero's boots. (The only striker who can even compare is Suarez imo & I'd rather have razor blades & wasps shoved up my arse than watch him in a City shirt).

I think the eventual replacement for Aguero will be either one of the kids like Jesus or another kid we haven't seen yet.

 

[mcfcphil]

Had I said 2 years ago, just after he'd had an exceptional season for us, that we should sell Yaya, I'd have probably got the same reaction. But I think most of us now accept we should have done just that and cashed in on Yaya when he was at his peak.

Sergio is 28 and we've struggled to keep him fit for a full season. At some point we'll have to replace him and that might have to be sooner rather than later. Getting a premium price is better than getting nothing and if we can use the sale to get two players such as Griezemann, Aubameyang, Lacazette or that Celtic lad Dembele then in my view it's worth doing.

I don't think selling yaya a couple of years ago would be comparable.
Yaya has been a great player for city but at the same time he's always been a conundrum - certainly in europe - and I think Aguero is on the level above him in pretty much every respect.
He's the very best at what he does - an out and out goalmachine. If we put him up for sale tomorrow every club in world football would be fighting like dogs to sign him. There's a reason for that - there are very, very few players like him.
If city want to sign dembele then go ahead and take a punt. We don't need to sell arguably the most lethal striker in world football to finance it.

 

[Otamendi's Beard]

Had I said 2 years ago, just after he'd had an exceptional season for us, that we should sell Yaya, I'd have probably got the same reaction. But I think most of us now accept we should have done just that and cashed in on Yaya when he was at his peak.

Sergio is 28 and we've struggled to keep him fit for a full season. At some point we'll have to replace him and that might have to be sooner rather than later. Getting a premium price is better than getting nothing and if we can use the sale to get two players such as Griezemann, Aubameyang, Lacazette or that Celtic lad Dembele then in my view it's worth doing.

Must be fishing... adding in Dembele at the end is the giveaway for me.