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I feel so sorry for Hillary, her husband cheated with Monica Lewinsky and now she's failed to become president on TWO occasions

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Chippy_boy said:
So what would you propose? If imported goods are better and/or cheaper, how would you propose to force people to buy the more expensive inferior goods? Would you impose import tariffs and thereby burden everyone with higher costs than they would otherwise have to pay, i.e. make everyone poorer? Or pump in government subsidy to make the domestic goods artificially cheaper? And if so, how would you fund that? By taking money off everyone and making everyone poorer.

Propping up uncompetitive industry does not work, never has worked, never will work. I give you British Leyland, Rolls-Royce (once nationalised), the entire UK coal industy, British Steel. I could go on and on. And by the way, have you ever worked with with these businesses? I have, extensively. They were all a complete joke.

A much better long term solution is to encourage high quality, high value-add activity where high wages can be justified and sustained and gradually transition away from low-cost, low-value add activites leaving the countries that want to do the "shit" jobs to have them. British Steel (later Corus) realised just this back in 1999. They saw that their USP was their expertise in how to make high quality steels for particular requirements, NOT the actual making of it. It was the IP that was valuable, and they saw that there was going to be no money to be made in doing the shitty work of actually making the stuff. Unfortunately they didn't have the bottle to actually do anything about it, having had this realisation, so they just sat and waited for the inevitable.
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You've highlighted the classic case against tariffs and it's a valid one. You've also got to make sure that your own manufacturers can fill the gap that restricting imports will create. But we've been sold a story that globalisation and trade liberalism is an unequivocally good thing when clearly there are numerous negative consequences in that as well.
 
SWP's back said:
The rich voted for Trump?

I thought he'd done particularly well with white working class, non college educated, males?

I suppose it depends on the classification of rich, but seeing as he lost the popular vote and won the states that are generally less affluent I'm at a loss to marry the two up.
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I was going off a combination of exit polls (as much as they can be trusted now) that those earning over $50k voted overwhelmingly for Trump/Republican.

That's no great surprise as Republicans always pick up that vote.

As American friends have said, they know Republicans that can't stand Trump but would always vote for their party.
 
I'm not into world politics but I said it the first time I heard his story... he's already a billionaire that's the worst possible candidate for most of the population because who's interests do you think he will want to protect? The working class and the poor... or the rich and powerful? If money is power and power corrupts(and absolute power corrupts absolutely... you know the saying), then the soon to be most powerful man in the world could be bad for so many people.
 
I'm not saying I agree at all but i saw this on a journalists twitter and thought it was interesting regarding the types of aggressive groups you've probably read supporting Trump online:

"The radicalisation of especially white men online is at astronomical levels"

"Trump managed to unite all this radicalised groups such as out and out racists, sexists, meninists, anti-globalists, conspiracy theorists"

"They truly believe that it is feminists, globalists, anti-racism activists and liberals who are the "true fascists" in the world."

"That's why I never got one strategy of Clinton's campaign: e.g. highlighting Trump's sexism. Trump supporters love him BECAUSE of his sexism"

I think its a bit stupid to say the result was because of these people but these groups sure did root for Trump.
 
urban genie said:
The US has form for voting in absolute clowns, Nixon, Reagan, Bush so this fuckwit getting a turn in the oval office ain't as big a suprise as you would think. The difference being he ain't been in public office before.

Let's see how all the trump supporters who expected all his piss and wind speeches to come true react, when they realise the president may be powerful, but Cogress is the real ruler and I would doubt some of his rhetoric will be passed by them.

In the end this year has hopefully proved that capitalisms 30 year experiment with a neoliberal model alienating the many while rewarding the few that has left many disenfranchised and anti the old establishment heads.

Also Clinton won the popular vote but the electoral college is as fucking useless as our fislrst past the post shote
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Congress is Republican, the House is Republican and President is Republican. I doubt he’ll be losing too much sleep about getting stuff passed.
 
Metalartin said:
I'm not into world politics but I said it the first time I heard his story... he's already a billionaire that's the worst possible candidate for most of the population because who's interests do you think he will want to protect? The working class and the poor... or the rich and powerful? If money is power and power corrupts(and absolute power corrupts absolutely... you know the saying), then the soon to be most powerful man in the world could be bad for so many people.
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Who was the last poor president or prime minister for that matter?
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You've highlighted the classic case against tariffs and it's a valid one. You've also got to make sure that your own manufacturers can fill the gap that restricting imports will create. But we've been sold a story that globalisation and trade liberalism is an unequivocally good thing when clearly there are numerous negative consequences in that as well.
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Yes, but they are negative consequences for people that "don't matter". Well, the people who don't matter have had their grotesque and fearful revenge, aided and abetted by poor dumb white folk and a fair old smattering of men and women who should know better. Oh! and of course the misogynists, racists and homophobes.

It's clearly a winning combination.
 
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johnnytapia said:
Congress is Republican, the House is Republican and President is Republican. I doubt he’ll be losing too much sleep about getting stuff passed.
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You know a lot of those members of Congress and Senators can't stand him? Some were voting for Clinton.
 
argyle said:
I'm not saying I agree at all but i saw this on a journalists twitter and thought it was interesting regarding the types of aggressive groups you've probably read supporting Trump online:

"The radicalisation of especially white men online is at astronomical levels"

"Trump managed to unite all this radicalised groups such as out and out racists, sexists, meninists, anti-globalists, conspiracy theorists"

"They truly believe that it is feminists, globalists, anti-racism activists and liberals who are the "true fascists" in the world."

"That's why I never got one strategy of Clinton's campaign: e.g. highlighting Trump's sexism. Trump supporters love him BECAUSE of his sexism"

I think its a bit stupid to say the result was because of these people but these groups sure did root for Trump.
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I don't know why any man would support modern feminism(they used to have a point the way things were) which is more often than not just plain misandry by unhappy mentally unstable women and sometimes men crying to get what they want(self privileged).

I don't know why people would vote for Trump(Hillary was just a lesser of two pretty crap candidates neither of them look good choices to me) but I'd say it's nothing to do with sexism, Louis CK said it best for me sexism isn't going away(it's not like racism) it's deeply routed in men and women we are always going to see things our way and it's silly to expect the opposite sex to agree completely with it.
 
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hilts said:
Who was the last poor president or prime minister for that matter?
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We're talking a rich and powerful billionaire when was the last time that happened? It's also not something he's worked towards academically from what I see, in fact it seems something he wants for him(he's not becoming president for any noble reasons I don't buy it). Think before you type, he's nowhere near working class never mind the poor. They do tend to be from good backgrounds(which isn't a bad thing) but there's a massive gulf between a billionaire(we're not just talking well off here) and the "mass population"(best spell this out too since you have trouble with everything unless I do, the rich and powerful are small percentage of the population... and billionaires... well even you should get the picture now) which is what I said, singling out the poor is what we call a strawman(defeating a stupid argument nobody made in the first place)... there is a reason that quote I mentioned is so popular, it's because it rings true time and time again.
 
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aguero93:20 said:
You know a lot of those members of Congress and Senators can't stand him? Some were voting for Clinton.
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It’s one thing saying this/that but he has a very clear mandate and love him or loathe him, most party members know where their political bread is buttered and will toe the President line. Much, much harder for a President to have Senate/House controlled by the opposition and get his legislation through.
 
johnnytapia said:
Congress is Republican, the House is Republican and President is Republican. I doubt he’ll be losing too much sleep about getting stuff passed.
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There are plenty of Republicans in congress that think he's a tosser, they will help scrap obarnacare and other things, but there will be plenty of his policies and ideas that they will block. The first act though will be the scraping of the philibuster stratergy as some democrats have already said they will use it in frequency.

Anyway seeing as his vice pres thinks smoking doesn't kill and homosexuality is wrong, thinks abortion should be ilegal and evolution doesn't exhist, both are a pair of bellends.

The CIA will probably bump him off in six months anyway when he gets on their tits
 
johnnytapia said:
It’s one thing saying this/that but he has a very clear mandate and love him or loathe him, most party members know where their political bread is buttered and will toe the President line. Much, much harder for a President to have Senate/House controlled by the opposition and get his legislation through.
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They won't vote for anything against their own interests.
 
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