David Silva - 2016/17 performances

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aguero93:20 said:
Born in the mid eighties so they'll all be post takeover.

1) Kompany - leader of the most successful City side in history.
2) Aguero - best striker in the PL era, possibly world no. 1.
3) Silva - a joy to watch, a role model and the architect of some of our greatest performances.
4) Zabaleta - an absolute warrior, plays with the passion of a fan and in his prime was up with the world's best in his position.
5) Tevez - signing this lad was a real turning point for the club and his performances and goals helped to change the clubs and fans mentality to a winning one.

Yaya misses out because of his actions off the pitch, Dinho was a difficult omission as were GazBaz and Joe. KDB hasn't been here long enough, nor have Gundogan and Sterling but I think all 3 could break into that top 5 before they're done.

Special mentions to Uwe, Kinky, Dunnie, Weaver, Kennedy, Berkovic, Benarbia, Dickov and the Goat pre takeover loved them all but they're not in the league of any of the above - if they were they wouldn't have been playing for us at the time.
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Bernarbia was superb...just a pity we got him when we did at the end of his career.....

The goat goes without saying

Dihno is going to be considered up there by the time he finishes and if Gudongan stays long enough then i think he could be as well

Dunnie was a legend but I think its for other reasons rather than his ability

Kinky - undoubted quality BUT went missing an awful lot....probably he came to us at the wrong time (for him and/or for us)

Uwe was fantastic

I can go back before then to the days of Big Joe C. Tommy Caton, Derek Parlane, Neil Mcnab, Paul Simpson and the rest of the young guys that played together (Hinchcliffe, white lake brightwell)....loads more...all have a place in our history deservedly but on a footballing level they aint even close to some of todays players so I can differentiate between nostalgia and footballing ability which is what I am on about with the argument between that and legends...I don't think you have to have had great footballing ability to be seen as a legend.......so when we are discussing silva i think the argument that people are having here firstly needs to be defined

Yaya on ability alone deserves to be there at or near the top.

I wonder on a PURELY football basis how some of the romantics compare him to Bell...(purely on footballing terms). Ive seen enough videos of bell to know what a superb athlete he was and what a football brain he had but Im not sure if you stuck the same players on the same pitch at their heights that someone like bell would cope with the pure physical prowess of Yaya.....the development in training methods, diet etc have seen the just the pure power and speed of footballers grow to such levels that players of the 60's wouldn't cope on the same pitch I don't think. This is not to deny the players of the 60's/70's levels of ability. (Then again if you look at the equipment that those players were using especially the balls and boots then maybe there is a counter argument as well)

Silva matches anyone for intelligence on a pitch I've ever seen in a city shirt
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I was at many of those and read the match reports to be sure:
2) That's a fair shout but I'll remember Milner as the player who best fitted my requirement as the guy who took the game by the scruff of the neck that night.
3) We fucking stuffed them that day from the first whistle to the last so that doesn't meet my criteria.
4) We played their reserves and I don't really recall us being in trouble.
5) He was good that day but again it doesn't meet my criteria for really taking a team that was struggling by the scruff of the neck.
6) He scored a goal that rolled through Al Habsi's legs but that wasn't a game we were really ever in trouble.
7) He scored the first but we were 2-0 and 3-1 up in that game
8) That game was a battle but I wouldn't agree that Silva was the difference.
9) Half a point for that. He scored the only goal but Hart had a stormer that day and it was a tight game generally.
10) I'd say Mancini had more to do with us winning that game when he changed things and brought on Maicon, using him and Kolarov for additional width. He assisted the winning goal but he couldn't be described as the difference between the two sides in that game.

So maybe two half-points out of 9 possible. And look at the dates of those games.
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Mate you need to get a grip. Maybe you liked Jamie pollock because he was passionate.....

Silva World Cup winner, UEFA cup twice. Premier league twice.

100 caps for Spain. Generally regarded as a great bloke and one day I hope he manages our great club. I have no idea why you would argue against the great man. It actually sickens me.
 
People comparing the amount of games Toure's taken by the scruff of the neck compared to Silva's have gone blind in his absense. How many times have we seen Yaya have one of his can't be arsed games and all begged for him to be taken off
 
casserole of nonsense said:
If not Silva, then who?
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thats the point though...i don't think its possible to say who for a number of reasons....what people want tot see out of a football differs greatly. I for one wouldn't have ronaldo or costa for instance in any city team..they just aint the type of players I like for various reasons. So these personal reasons alone make it impossible to say who is the best.

Then there is the nostalgia/romanticism argument that means some people are unable to even start to think that some of the modern crop of players are better than the likes of Bell etc. There are also very pratcial reasons why comparison are unfair/very difficult to make like the development of training methods, styles of play, fitness levels, equipment changes (along with eh state of the pitches) and purely human development. (Look at the increase in the 100m's records since the early 60's) to the phenomenon that is Usain Bolt at present - can you every imagine someone running faster than him...not at present but in the next 50 years with a bit more development on diet,training and a freak bit of evolution in someone then it will probably happen...within a few hundred years humans themselves will start to look different. there are some theories non this that we may become (possibly over a longer period of time) a human species split into two main groups.....clearly defined by their physicality (and I'm not talking about skin colour). I wonder if in 200 years Bell et al will still be considered the greatest players?
 
casserole of nonsense said:
If not Silva, then who?
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I don't know if it's a problem caused by social media and shite journalism. Everything seems to have to be graded against the past.

1. Is that the best team every in the league?
2. Is he the best forward we've ever seen?
3. Is that the greatest goal ever?
4. Is that the biggest upset ever?

Most of it will be predicated on TV coverage. I blame those dull fucking Channel 4 programmes - 100 greatest albums, 100 greatest adverts, 100 greatest sitcoms, 100 greatest Ant and Dec quotes......

However, we all join in with it so we're to blame.
 
simon23 said:
thats the point though...i don't think its possible to say who for a number of reasons....what people want tot see out of a football differs greatly. I for one wouldn't have ronaldo or costa for instance in any city team..they just aint the type of players I like for various reasons. So these personal reasons alone make it impossible to say who is the best.

Then there is the nostalgia/romanticism argument that means some people are unable to even start to think that some of the modern crop of players are better than the likes of Bell etc. There are also very pratcial reasons why comparison are unfair/very difficult to make like the development of training methods, styles of play, fitness levels, equipment changes (along with eh state of the pitches) and purely human development. (Look at the increase in the 100m's records since the early 60's) to the phenomenon that is Usain Bolt at present - can you every imagine someone running faster than him...not at present but in the next 50 years with a bit more development on diet,training and a freak bit of evolution in someone then it will probably happen...within a few hundred years humans themselves will start to look different. there are some theories non this that we may become (possibly over a longer period of time) a human species split into two main groups.....clearly defined by their physicality (and I'm not talking about skin colour). I wonder if in 200 years Bell et al will still be considered the greatest players?
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It was a rhetorical question. You have some interesting thoughts on human evolution though.

I once thought I'd never see anyone run faster than Ben Johnson.
 
malg said:
I don't know if it's a problem caused by social media and shite journalism. Everything seems to have to be graded against the past.

1. Is that the best team every in the league?
2. Is he the best forward we've ever seen?
3. Is that the greatest goal ever?
4. Is that the biggest upset ever?

Most of it will be predicated on TV coverage. I blame those dull fucking Channel 4 programmes - 100 greatest albums, 100 greatest adverts, 100 greatest sitcoms, 100 greatest Ant and Dec quotes......

However, we all join in with it so we're to blame.
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I agree. Let's enjoy the moment, watching David Silva ain't too shabby.
 
casserole of nonsense said:
I agree. Let's enjoy the moment, watching David Silva ain't too shabby.
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Bang on. Even if you don't think he's the best ever city player, I'm sure everyone would agree that we're lucky to have they guy, and he can be an absolute joy to watch - makes it look easy.
 
Looking at Silva's performance from purely a stats perspective:


Some stats background waffle
One of the most useful stats for measuring success at creating chances is based on “the number of key passes per 90 mins played”. A key pass being one that directly leads to a chance/attempt at goal. Over the course of a season any player with3+ "key passes per 90 mins played” is prolific at creating chances and only a handful of players manage it each year - In England the 5 year average is 4.6 players per season, Italy 3 players per season, Germany 2.8 players per season and just 2.6 players per season in Spain.

Last 5 seasons - best in Europe
Silva’s output for creating assists and chances in absolute terms and “key passes per 90 minutes played” is phenomenal. He has managed “3+ KP p90m” for each of the last 5 seasons and he is already on target for it again this season.

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No one, Ozil aside, gets anywhere near the numbers and that level of consistency year after year – not just in the PL but in the other big European leagues as well. Simply, Silva and Ozil have been the long-term best in Europe by a country mile. KDB is following on their tails.


Defensive 16/17
No doubt this will be a big surprise to many but:
  • overall his defensive numbers are 2nd only to Fernandinho based on the 9 City forwards/midfielders who have played more than 250 mins.
  • his numbers are also better or compare favourably with the players from Liverpool and Spurs who are lauded as pressing specialists.
  • not only is his Passes Blocked stat (a great indicator of quality pressing) the best at City, it is joint best in the entire league with Kante, Gueye and Coutinho. Not bad for a player with a suspect work rate :)
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Creative 16/17
Silva and KDB both have 31 Key Passes each. Both are miles ahead of any other City player and only Payet is ahead of them in the league. (KDB does lead Silva 6-2 with assists )

In the Champions League group stages to date Silva leads the way with 12 key passes from his 3 games. Only 2 players have more – Stindl and Dani Alves – but they have played an extra game. On a “key passes per 90 mins played” basis, Silva is the top player in the CL group stages for creating chances so far.

Seems to me it all makes a mockery of those who think he is losing it. Not yet anyway. And as for the goals I'm sure Pep would like him to score more but I'd bet big that overall he is delighted with the way Silva has adapted.
 
Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
Looking at Silva's performance from purely a stats perspective:


Some stats background waffle
One of the most useful stats for measuring success at creating chances is based on “the number of key passes per 90 mins played”. A key pass being one that directly leads to a chance/attempt at goal. Over the course of a season any player with3+ "key passes per 90 mins played” is prolific at creating chances and only a handful of players manage it each year - In England the 5 year average is 4.6 players per season, Italy 3 players per season, Germany 2.8 players per season and just 2.6 players per season in Spain.

Last 5 seasons - best in Europe
Silva’s output for creating assists and chances in absolute terms and “key passes per 90 minutes played” is phenomenal. He has managed “3+ KP p90m” for each of the last 5 seasons and he is already on target for it again this season.

35moyua.jpg


No one, Ozil aside, gets anywhere near the numbers and that level of consistency year after year – not just in the PL but in the other big European leagues as well. Simply, Silva and Ozil have been the long-term best in Europe by a country mile. KDB is following on their tails.


Defensive 16/17
No doubt this will be a big surprise to many but:
  • overall his defensive numbers are 2nd only to Fernandinho based on the 9 City forwards/midfielders who have played more than 250 mins.
  • his numbers are also better or compare favourably with the players from Liverpool and Spurs who are lauded as pressing specialists.
  • not only is his Passes Blocked stat (a great indicator of quality pressing) the best at City, it is joint best in the entire league with Kante, Gueye and Coutinho. Not bad for a player with a suspect work rate :)
rkv3vm.jpg



Creative 16/17
Silva and KDB both have 31 Key Passes each. Both are miles ahead of any other City player and only Payet is ahead of them in the league. (KDB does lead Silva 6-2 with assists )

In the Champions League group stages to date Silva leads the way with 12 key passes from his 3 games. Only 2 players have more – Stindl and Dani Alves – but they have played an extra game. On a “key passes per 90 mins played” basis, Silva is the top player in the CL group stages for creating chances so far.

Seems to me it all makes a mockery of those who think he is losing it. Not yet anyway. And as for the goals I'm sure Pep would like him to score more but I'd bet big that overall he is delighted with the way Silva has adapted.
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Thanks for that.

I don't go for stats usually but they are interesting

But like i said what they don't show is the pass before the assist.....he has an awful lot of those as well and its usually the more difficult pass as well..I would be very interested to see f most of the assists by people like Nolito Sterling navas etc come from a previous pass by silva......
 
Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
Looking at Silva's performance from purely a stats perspective:


Some stats background waffle
One of the most useful stats for measuring success at creating chances is based on “the number of key passes per 90 mins played”. A key pass being one that directly leads to a chance/attempt at goal. Over the course of a season any player with3+ "key passes per 90 mins played” is prolific at creating chances and only a handful of players manage it each year - In England the 5 year average is 4.6 players per season, Italy 3 players per season, Germany 2.8 players per season and just 2.6 players per season in Spain.

Last 5 seasons - best in Europe
Silva’s output for creating assists and chances in absolute terms and “key passes per 90 minutes played” is phenomenal. He has managed “3+ KP p90m” for each of the last 5 seasons and he is already on target for it again this season.

35moyua.jpg


No one, Ozil aside, gets anywhere near the numbers and that level of consistency year after year – not just in the PL but in the other big European leagues as well. Simply, Silva and Ozil have been the long-term best in Europe by a country mile. KDB is following on their tails.


Defensive 16/17
No doubt this will be a big surprise to many but:
  • overall his defensive numbers are 2nd only to Fernandinho based on the 9 City forwards/midfielders who have played more than 250 mins.
  • his numbers are also better or compare favourably with the players from Liverpool and Spurs who are lauded as pressing specialists.
  • not only is his Passes Blocked stat (a great indicator of quality pressing) the best at City, it is joint best in the entire league with Kante, Gueye and Coutinho. Not bad for a player with a suspect work rate :)
rkv3vm.jpg



Creative 16/17
Silva and KDB both have 31 Key Passes each. Both are miles ahead of any other City player and only Payet is ahead of them in the league. (KDB does lead Silva 6-2 with assists )

In the Champions League group stages to date Silva leads the way with 12 key passes from his 3 games. Only 2 players have more – Stindl and Dani Alves – but they have played an extra game. On a “key passes per 90 mins played” basis, Silva is the top player in the CL group stages for creating chances so far.

Seems to me it all makes a mockery of those who think he is losing it. Not yet anyway. And as for the goals I'm sure Pep would like him to score more but I'd bet big that overall he is delighted with the way Silva has adapted.
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Great work this. I can understand some people going with Kun or Yaya over Silva, but for me its Silva for all of the tangible and intangibles he has brought us over the last 5 years.
 
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