Yaya Toure - 2016/17 performances

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Ladies and Gentlemen Yaya Toure.

It's a 10 from Len !
 
This is a good outcome. The club and Pep have laid down their marker and one of our best ever players had had the chance to make an impact yet again. Even if he doesn't play for us again (and I'm sure he will) it is so much better for him and us that he has had the chance to let us remember him for what he is good at as opposed to what he isn't.
 
SWP's back said:
His height at defensive set plays would be my guess.
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this..he seemed to be doing a lot of wrestling with benteke at corners/pieces and while yaya anti great int he air he at least has the physical presence to make it awkward for bent eke
 
Shaelumstash said:
Quite.

The guy clearly didn't see the game.

Absolutely delighted for Yaya to come back and hit two really important goals for us. Goals win games and he delivered when it mattered.

But this is another example of the Match of the Day type casual fan like ChrisDunk not really understanding the game. Yaya got ran all second half by Palace. They were streaming through the middle and our right channel because they knew Yaya either couldn't or wouldn't track them.

It's the least control of the midfield we've had all season. We really missed Gundogan or Silva in there today to control the game and not give Palace such an easy ride when they had the ball.

I thought Nolito for Silva was a strange sub, but Silva was excellent when he came on, got on the ball in tight areas and took the pressure off the back 4.

How anyone could have watched us all season and watched the full 90 today and thought the best thing to do in future is drop Silva for Yaya is just beyond credible comprehension.
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I partly agree but i don't think its cause he won't...i just think he is crap at doing the defensive bit...he was trying but he is just not very good at it.

However to counter that ....very few players today seemed to even try to press (could be knackered from the internationals, could be that Pep decided to not press as much cause he knew the players were tired (he mentioned it int he press conference).

The control part in midfield was not down to Yaya however...KDB was awful today and really didnt help and various others didnt perform anywhere near as well

Yaya can play a valuable part this year. He aint the marauding player we came to love anymore; his legs cant do it but his football brain and passing is still huge and his goal threat is better than anyones besides Kun.....he may not start as many as he would wish but coming off the bench sometimes, he is a hell of a player to have plus as Pep says it allows a bit more rotation (especially for Silva and KDB

Just hope his agent doesn't fuck it up for everyone
 
Still major questions about his shortcomings as a midfield two.

However so glad he's back. He really could be difference for us this season. His goals from midfield have been missed.

Someone tape up his agents mouth so as not to ruin it.
 
Gundogan's Moustache said:
Thing is I wouldn't have him instead of Gundogan or Fernandinho as first choice but him over Fernando everyday of the week. If he's happy and motivated to play that supporting role he can be the difference if not he's basically a ship wreck
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what about in a 3 with them two
 
simon23 said:
I partly agree but i don't think its cause he won't...i just think he is crap at doing the defensive bit...he was trying but he is just not very good at it.

However to counter that ....very few players today seemed to even try to press (could be knackered from the internationals, could be that Pep decided to not press as much cause he knew the players were tired (he mentioned it int he press conference).

The control part in midfield was not down to Yaya however...KDB was awful today and really didnt help and various others didnt perform anywhere near as well

Yaya can play a valuable part this year. He aint the marauding player we came to love anymore; his legs cant do it but his football brain and passing is still huge and his goal threat is better than anyones besides Kun.....he may not start as many as he would wish but coming off the bench sometimes, he is a hell of a player to have plus as Pep says it allows a bit more rotation (especially for Silva and KDB

Just hope his agent doesn't fuck it up for everyone
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Whether it's due to a lack of effort, a lack of legs, or just that he's simply not very good at it, it is detrimental to the team when a central midfielder doesn't track runners off the back of them.

To be honest, even at his incredible peak this was a problem. I remember Didi Hamann saying Yaya was a liability and he got slaughtered for saying it. That season he scored 20 goals from midfield so the idea that he was a liability was ludicrous. Those 20 goals won us the league.

The problem is, teams have figured him out now. Teams deliberately target him, try to outnumber him in the middle and run off the back of him safe in the knowledge he's not going to track them.

His quality on the ball has never been in question. Neither has ability to score goals. He's a supremely talented footballer and against cannon fodder I think he's so good on the ball that we'll be able to get away with his short-comings off the ball. But against a decent side in a competitive game where we need to press to win the ball back, I just don't see him fitting in.

The second half against Barca as an example, is the best I've ever seen City play. The front 5 were all pressing so high, so quickly, so aggressively that we played Barca at their own game and beat them convincingly. I don't think we could have done that if Yaya had been one of those 5 players.

But against Swansea, Sunderland, Hull etc, he's so good on the ball that they won't be able to live with him.

It's great to have another option in midfield and I'm sure he'll chip in with some vital goals. But people expecting Yaya to come back in and play regularly and dominate games like he did 3 or 4 years ago, I just don't see it.
 
domalino said:
We had no control in midfield today
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That's because Palace bypassed midfield completely, its hard to control it when the ball is 18 feet above you.

Yaya did what he was asked, looked rusty (hardly a surprise), but thank f**k he can finish, because two of our other attacking players looked tired and out of form, in fact poor would best describe their contributions. Sterling was OK, and Silva when he came on.
 
Shaelumstash said:
Quite.

The guy clearly didn't see the game.

Absolutely delighted for Yaya to come back and hit two really important goals for us. Goals win games and he delivered when it mattered.

But this is another example of the Match of the Day type casual fan like ChrisDunk not really understanding the game. Yaya got ran all second half by Palace. They were streaming through the middle and our right channel because they knew Yaya either couldn't or wouldn't track them.

It's the least control of the midfield we've had all season. We really missed Gundogan or Silva in there today to control the game and not give Palace such an easy ride when they had the ball.

I thought Nolito for Silva was a strange sub, but Silva was excellent when he came on, got on the ball in tight areas and took the pressure off the back 4.

How anyone could have watched us all season and watched the full 90 today and thought the best thing to do in future is drop Silva for Yaya is just beyond credible comprehension.
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I think you will find convergence at the point of danger/ weakness, the name of the game, for Pep. If Yaya is at the the apex of the attack and the counter strikes through the middle, he cannot be there at the same time. This is why our full back, as well as Fern converge to the point of danger. Yaya also did this when in suitable position as did Sergio, KdB and everyone else.

Maybe it's you guys that should watch the game instead of trying to pick out fault for the man's first game of the season!!

ALL THE OUTFIELD PLAYERS CELEBRATED YAYA'S GOALS!!

Does that not say anything to you?? Do you think they thought he worked as well as they did or are finding fault in the manager's selection??

*smh*

Unbelievable...
 
Shaelumstash said:
Whether it's due to a lack of effort, a lack of legs, or just that he's simply not very good at it, it is detrimental to the team when a central midfielder doesn't track runners off the back of them.

To be honest, even at his incredible peak this was a problem. I remember Didi Hamann saying Yaya was a liability and he got slaughtered for saying it. That season he scored 20 goals from midfield so the idea that he was a liability was ludicrous. Those 20 goals won us the league.

The problem is, teams have figured him out now. Teams deliberately target him, try to outnumber him in the middle and run off the back of him safe in the knowledge he's not going to track them.

His quality on the ball has never been in question. Neither has ability to score goals. He's a supremely talented footballer and against cannon fodder I think he's so good on the ball that we'll be able to get away with his short-comings off the ball. But against a decent side in a competitive game where we need to press to win the ball back, I just don't see him fitting in.

The second half against Barca as an example, is the best I've ever seen City play. The front 5 were all pressing so high, so quickly, so aggressively that we played Barca at their own game and beat them convincingly. I don't think we could have done that if Yaya had been one of those 5 players.

But against Swansea, Sunderland, Hull etc, he's so good on the ball that they won't be able to live with him.

It's great to have another option in midfield and I'm sure he'll chip in with some vital goals. But people expecting Yaya to come back in and play regularly and dominate games like he did 3 or 4 years ago, I just don't see it.
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fully agree with all of that..I wouldn't start him against the likes of liverpool spurs arsenal etc where they re quick in midfield but against those teams that sit with 10 in defence and are hard to break down his goal scoring ability could come in very useful

yaya the super sub !
 
Bigga said:
ALL THE OUTFIELD PLAYERS CELEBRATED YAYA'S GOALS!!

Does that not say anything to you?? Do you think they thought he worked as well as they did or are finding fault in the manager's selection??
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BBC reporting he got a standing ovation in the City dressing room at the end, and he certainly did in the stands, even from his critics.

Wasn't my MoTM incidentally, I'd give that to Fernandhino, who was dead on his feet in the last 10 minutes, yes it might be because he covered for Yaya, but that was his job, and he did it very well (despoite having had a huge week himself), but Yaya was out there as a match winner, and guess what, he won us the match, something none of our forward players really threatened to do.
 
Gundogan's Moustache said:
Then you're leaving out one of Silva , De Bruyne , Sterling. Silva probably most at risk due to De Bruyne's end product and Sterling's pure pace
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at times i think this is what might happen or at least him coming on front he subs bench for silva...the one advantage yaya has over silva is his goal threat and at times we need that.

Having said that both Silva and DKB need rests at times (KDB was awful today for instance)
 
Shaelumstash said:
Whether it's due to a lack of effort, a lack of legs, or just that he's simply not very good at it, it is detrimental to the team when a central midfielder doesn't track runners off the back of them.

To be honest, even at his incredible peak this was a problem. I remember Didi Hamann saying Yaya was a liability and he got slaughtered for saying it. That season he scored 20 goals from midfield so the idea that he was a liability was ludicrous. Those 20 goals won us the league.

The problem is, teams have figured him out now. Teams deliberately target him, try to outnumber him in the middle and run off the back of him safe in the knowledge he's not going to track them.

His quality on the ball has never been in question. Neither has ability to score goals. He's a supremely talented footballer and against cannon fodder I think he's so good on the ball that we'll be able to get away with his short-comings off the ball. But against a decent side in a competitive game where we need to press to win the ball back, I just don't see him fitting in.

The second half against Barca as an example, is the best I've ever seen City play. The front 5 were all pressing so high, so quickly, so aggressively that we played Barca at their own game and beat them convincingly. I don't think we could have done that if Yaya had been one of those 5 players.

But against Swansea, Sunderland, Hull etc, he's so good on the ball that they won't be able to live with him.

It's great to have another option in midfield and I'm sure he'll chip in with some vital goals. But people expecting Yaya to come back in and play regularly and dominate games like he did 3 or 4 years ago, I just don't see it.
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Palace didn't figure out the match winner Yaya Toure today!
 
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