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It's funny how opinions are formed at a distance. I'm currently teaching a class of 12 pilots, 8 US and 4 Canadian.

They mostly approve of Trump and love the fact he's doing what he said he would.

It's about 70/30 in his favor.

Bluemoon is not representative of us feeling and clearly neither is the European media.

Absolutely.

Forget his policies for one second and just imagine our politicians coming into power and with a week delivering on promises made?

He told America what he would do and he is doing just that and he will not give 2 shits what the BBC or anyone else for that matter thinks and neither will his supporters.
 
Yes. Not even a doubt in my mind.

Look at the Democrats tearing themselves apart. The people running for the party leadership entrenching themselves in race politics saying things like 'we don't need white people leading this party'. No self reflection as to why they lost and the disenfranchisment felt by the working class family with the Democrats, they are imploding like Labour. It's all because 'muh racists and sexists'.

Like 2016 it won't even be close.


Identity politics, it's the new black
 
Isn't he stopping flight crews, people just taking connecting flights, people who travel in to work and people who are permanent US residents who were outside the country when it happened ? Big businesses are furious and countries are threatening to refuse Visas to US citizens.

He's a fucking moron
 
It's funny how opinions are formed at a distance. I'm currently teaching a class of 12 pilots, 8 US and 4 Canadian.

They mostly approve of Trump and love the fact he's doing what he said he would.

It's about 70/30 in his favor.

Bluemoon is not representative of us feeling and clearly neither is the European media.
Yes, pilots are well known for providing a hugely accurate reflection of the wider views of American society. If you'd been tasked with teaching a dozen inner city blacks from Detroit would you have held their views up as being in any way representative? I suspect not.

Your point about the European media is a fair one, but your means to rebut it was feeble.
 
A bit simplistic I know but is he just going through implementing the various requirements of the ones who contributed to his election fund ?
We have seen the legal rejection of his actions as a starter in the news today and perhaps he is aware that this is likely to happen, but frankly this will buy him time to show he did his best for those who financially support him.

Certainly his methods in his business sector may be similar and will get immediate action but a refusal to go through the normal legal processing whilst President is surely not something he expects will happen just because he says it. How many times have leaders of non totalitarian governments been frustrated by an inability to get their elected policies into action.

Surely even he will find that the USA equivalent of the civil service will frustrate his decisions in a Yes Prime Minister way so bypassing their power with statements on TV or tweets may give notice of his intentions but will it really be that effective ?

There again maybe he can do as he pleases like Mr Putin and has decided that the sooner the population and its elected representatives together with the internal administrators get used to it the better.
 
The fact that we're turning to Trump and Erdogan at times like this tells me everything I need to know regarding how good a deal Theresa May genuinely thinks we can get out of Brexit. Her readiness to cosy up to them and her hesitation to condemn them ought to be a source of national embarrassment for years to come. The British love to bang on about their British values but I see nothing to be proud of right now.
 
Seriously then, why did they vote for him?

They don't like foreigners Muslims or governments. They blame the government for capitalism moving on. They don't understand a system they all avowed.

White feelings of angst fuelled by racially motivated utterings touched the core of millions of white feelings that a Muslim America is a real thing.

That he would set about the rust belt with a giant can of WD40 and everything would be terrific.

It won't.
 
Did you enjoy the sight of our Prime Minister fawning over a man who publicly tries to justify torture.
No I didn't. My opinion of Trump before his election was that he was a blustering loudmouth and, as yet, I
see no reason to retract that view, but he is, for better or worse, the President of the USA, so our PM, or any other
world leader has to deal with him. Mrs May, I think, has shown better judgement than the carpers and whingers have, by not
approaching the most powerful man in the world and wagging her finger at him, she is attempting to forge a mutually
beneficial arrangement for both countries, it's no good now going over there just to tell him what sort of **** he is,
it's not going to change him or his views.
 
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This is a very interesting article. Made me very sad reading this and the likely implications.
What is particularly depressing is the long term effects he will have if/when he gets to appoint to Judges to the SCOTUS. In many ways they are the most powerful and influential people in the western world. Most certainly their power and influence tends to endure much longer than that of transient politicians.
 
No I didn't. My opinion of Trump before his election was that he was a blustering loudmouth and, as yet, I
see no reason to retract that view, but he is, for better or worse, the President of the USA, so our PM, or any other
world leader has to deal with him. Mrs May, I think, has shown better judgement than the carpers and whingers have, by not
approaching the most powerful man in the world and wagging her finger at him, she is attempting to forge a mutually
beneficial arrangement for both countries, it's no good now going over there just to tell him what sort of **** he is,
it's not going to change him or his views.
There nothing you've said there I can take any issue with, AC.
 
What is particularly depressing is the long term effects he will have if/when he gets to appoint to Judges to the SCOTUS. In many ways they are the most powerful and influential people in the western world. Most certainly their power and influences tends to endure much longer than that of transient politicians.
I don't think that's anything to get too worried about unless he manages to replace 3 or 4 of them, can't see the sitting members taking well to a Trump nominee.
 
The fact that we're turning to Trump and Erdogan at times like this tells me everything I need to know regarding how good a deal Theresa May genuinely thinks we can get out of Brexit. Her readiness to cosy up to them and her hesitation to condemn them ought to be a source of national embarrassment for years to come. The British love to bang on about their British values but I see nothing to be proud of right now.

The fact is that trade has to be done by the UK to survive financially. If a political will can be initially processed then the real trade can be done by those who get the orders and frankly speak in a similar way to Mr Trump with no regard for anything other than filling their order books with profitable jobs.

Political approval for deals with China, Saudi Arabia and many more help industry to be effective so until the UK is self sufficient I´m afraid disapproval of any other country´s style of government is likely to take a back seat.

I agree we are still squirming regarding the way the Bush Blair relationship took us to war and our banks are still getting massive fines for money laundering and libor rate fixing as a partial legacy of the USA / Iran trade ban era (ie mostly US money being processed anyway) but trade must happen and TM should be encouraged to catalyse trade wherever we can get it.
 
What is particularly depressing is the long term effects he will have if/when he gets to appoint to Judges to the SCOTUS. In many ways they are the most powerful and influential people in the western world. Most certainly their power and influences tends to endure much longer than that of transient politicians.

Long term he is damaging the US economy, growth and health. Shutting borders means some of the brightest minds in the world can't develop new technologies. Steve jobs was the son of a Syrian Muslim, And we know how well the US economy has done out of that union. The implications on healthcare with this gag order will see an uprise in aids and hiv, Zika virus, deaths because women in third world countries can no longer obtain contraception because of funding cuts. World health is all our responsibility and benefits us as it curbs the spread of sexual infections and diseases.

I really really dislike Donald trump and he will have so many deaths on his hands because of this
 
The fact is that trade has to be done by the UK to survive financially. If a political will can be initially processed then the real trade can be done by those who get the orders and frankly speak in a similar way to Mr Trump with no regard for anything other than filling their order books with profitable jobs.

Political approval for deals with China, Saudi Arabia and many more help industry to be effective so until the UK is self sufficient I´m afraid disapproval of any other country´s style of government is likely to take a back seat.

I agree we are still squirming regarding the way the Bush Blair relationship took us to war and our banks are still getting massive fines for money laundering and libor rate fixing as a partial legacy of the USA / Iran trade ban era (ie mostly US money being processed anyway) but trade must happen and TM should be encouraged to catalyse trade wherever we can get it.
Of course she's got to do what she's got to do, the point is that Brexit has given her much less scope to have principles.
 
No I didn't. My opinion of Trump before his election was that he was a blustering loudmouth and, as yet, I
see no reason to retract that view, but he is, for better or worse, the President of the USA, so our PM, or any other
world leader has to deal with him. Mrs May, I think, has shown better judgement than the carpers and whingers have, by not
approaching the most powerful man in the world and wagging her finger at him, she is attempting to forge a mutually
beneficial arrangement for both countries, it's no good now going over there just to tell him what sort of **** he is,
it's not going to change him or his views.
Grovel.
 
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