Finsbury Park mosque attack

Invading Iraq is no excuse for people blowing innocent teenagers to bits. However affronted Islamic people might have been about western govts actions most normal people don't take those govt actions and then perpetrate these murderous acts. It is extremist ideology that causes people to undertake these heinous acts of terror an innocent civilians.

If it were simply the Iraq war on the same basis why don't we have Argentinian terrorists blowing innocent people up.

Sick of liberals (SJW's) making excuses for these people. On that basis right wing terrorists now have an excuse to bomb Muslims to bits. There is absolutely no excuse for this terror, absolutely none.

Totally agree that there is no excuse for these attacks but I don't think GDM was making excuses for them. I could be guessing here, but I think when he talks of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, he's alluding to the hornets nest that was stirred up in the wake of the removal of Saddam Hussein and how that in turn allowed these extremist nutters to flourish in the ensuing power vacuum. Whatever we think of the likes of Saddam and Gaddafi, and they were barabaric twats for sure, they did keep a lid on this kind of thing. I can't imagine how a group such as ISIS would've been able to spring up quite so easily in an Iraq that was under Saddam's regime.
 
Last night a Facebook 'friend' came up on my profile as liking Britain First. I had a look on their page and the amount of people celebrating the van attack was sickening. If thousands of people are happy to post this bile in the public domain then how many secretly share these sentiments?
Without knowing them, liking something doesn't mean they agree with it but just want the source of information.

Saying that, if I want to see what they're posting I can just search for them.
 
Totally agree that there is no excuse for these attacks but I don't think GDM was making excuses for them. I could be guessing here, but I think when he talks of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, he's alluding to the hornets nest that was stirred up in the wake of the removal of Saddam Hussein and how that in turn allowed these extremist nutters to flourish in the power vacuum. Whatever we think of the likes of Saddam and Gaddafi, and they were barabaric twats for sure, they did keep a lid on this kind of thing happening in their own country.
At least you have the mental acuity to properly interpret what I posted :-)
 
I find some of the reaction to these events a bit bewildering. Even before this there is always such an emphasis on how the muslim community feels.

Not the general British community being targeted for death continually because of who they are. Reiterate some points, yes, but it's in overdrive, not proportional to the events that have happened. Italians, Germans, Austrians etc. were rounded up and sent to camps whilst we were under attack from their world demographic, we weren't talking about their feelings when we were being bombed by organisations of their demographic.
 
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I think the language you're using is a bit over the top for something where "The aim is to identify those at risk of being drawn into terrorism, assess what the risk might be and then develop support for those referred to them."

I don't know whether it's compulsory, but I guess not because no actual crime has been committed.

I understand and agree that we should definitely be wary about state indoctrination, of course we should. But, in the current climate I see it as tackling or reversing extreme indoctrination from several sides.

I don't know the answer but surely we cannot ignore it.

There is a lot of evidence from people involved in prevent that it doesn't work. If someone is radicalised then they are not exactly going to turn up for counselling are they? What does "Radicalised" mean? Who decides? And from what I can see from those links the referred are mainly children. The government have to look like they are doing something and this I fear is a box ticking exercise.

These show that around 2,100 under-18s were referred in 2015/16 to the Channel programme and just over 290 were because of concerns around ‘far right extremism’. Two thirds of the referrals, or 1,400, were about concerns around ‘international (Islamist) extremism’.
 
as tackling or reversing extreme indoctrination from several sides.

I don't know the answer but surely we cannot ignore it.

With you on this pal. What's needed is a frank open discussion without prejudice, find out the real issues and get them out in the open so they can be challenged.
 
I find some of the reaction to these events a bit bewildering. Even before this there is always such an emphasis on how the muslim community feels.

Not the general British community being targeted for death continually because of who they are. Reiterate some points, yes, but it's in overdrive, not proportional to the events that have happened. Italians, Germans, Austrians etc. were rounded up and sent to camps whilst we were under attack from their world demographic, we weren't talking about their feelings when we were being bombed by their organisations.
Again, good points raised here. There appears to be, after every atrocity, a rush to tell everyone that mainstream
muslims abhor, reject etc; these events, rather than asking the general person on the street his/her feelings or opinions.
The incarceration of the demographics you refer to were swift and all encompassing, because with bombs raining down
and battles raging, there was no time to discuss anyone's human rights. Anyone with half a brain knows most muslims do not
involve themselves, or condone such acts, we don't need to be told this constantly, yet it occurs with depressing regularity.
 

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