I find some of the reaction to these events a bit bewildering. Even before this there is always such an emphasis on how the muslim community feels.
Not the general British community being targeted for death continually because of who they are. Reiterate some points, yes, but it's in overdrive, not proportional to the events that have happened. Italians, Germans, Austrians etc. were rounded up and sent to camps whilst we were under attack from their world demographic, we weren't talking about their feelings when we were being bombed by organisations of their demographic.
Again, good points raised here. There appears to be, after every atrocity, a rush to tell everyone that mainstream
muslims abhor, reject etc; these events, rather than asking the general person on the street his/her feelings or opinions.
The incarceration of the demographics you refer to were swift and all encompassing, because with bombs raining down
and battles raging, there was no time to discuss anyone's human rights. Anyone with half a brain knows most muslims do not
involve themselves, or condone such acts, we don't need to be told this constantly, yet it occurs with depressing regularity.
As you say, social media trash, why bother responding, the majority know it's trash, we don't need lectures on howBecause there are lots of voices, many only on social media type trash, who advocate that all Muslims are to blame? It's a lot easier to stir up reactionary behaviour by selling partial truths than to counter it with facts, and so you have to do it more often.
A number of US Citizens, born and raised in the US, second/third generation US citizens who were of German descent fought for the Nazis against the Allies in WW2We were at war with those countries though, which is quite a significant distinction.
it's also relatively easy to identify a German as being German as they have a passport. It's a lot more difficult to round up a selection of British people.
If you use this 'watch list' figures of 3,000, what would you do with them? We have around 85-90000 prisoners at the moment and the prisons are all full; where do you put them? Who pays for it?
As you say, social media trash, why bother responding, the majority know it's trash, we don't need lectures on how
to respond or react, so it needs no countering. You're never going to sway the opinions of such people, let them rant,
but the pious claptrap we're force fed in the immediate aftermath is getting tiresome.
A number of US Citizens, born and raised in the US, second/third generation US citizens who were of German descent fought for the Nazis against the Allies in WW2
I mean, clearly, the points need reiterating for some like the guy who attacked the mosque (or, maybe he proves they just ignore it, it may even push his anger further). It is a very valid thing to address, but it's been blown well out of proportion as if muslim communities are protected more so than anyone else. This influences society's perceptions and if we keep deflecting from what grouping the enemy exists within, we're going to continue having the problem. I'm just making the point to bring things back into balance for that reason - the same standards aren't applied to everyone, they are heavily overcompensated for those deemed the persecuted. I don't like to say it, but if White British people defend themselves where other ethnicities are involved - there's a tendency for people (white or otherwise) to deem it racist leaning. It's like there is a social perception that exists within sectors and has spread to some White British themselves that white people deserve struggle - reaping what they sow from the age of Empire. That is extremely ignorant to the fact the British population itself was oppressed by elite, which is all to do with society and none to do with race. Same in other European countries. The age of empire was an unavoidable space race of it's time - it was the only way to defend ourselves from being an exploited colony. Today's problems are rooted in corruption, a product of human nature, not the nature of a particular ethnicity. The Islamaphobia talk is completely dominating the hour of news, I'm not drawing petty comparisons but - 1 "terrorist" attack causing 1 death compared to the attacks and deaths caused to British people in general and this is the reaction. There's some bloke talking on the news claiming Tommy Robinson is an extremist now - you might not agree with what he does, but they are trying to draw parallels between serious Islamic extremists to white British people trying to do what they can to defend themselves and prevent harm. It's not right and is a tactic (conscience or unconscience) to deflect from the actual problem. Far right reprisals are not the problem, Islamic extremism is - far right reprisals are a reaction to that and wouldn't exist as they do without it. Furthermore, because of the social perceptions that now exist - a product of all this - British non-muslims, especially white, are overly cautious/afraid about defending their rights: this has led to the unbalanced reactions which make dealing with the issue harder.Again, good points raised here. There appears to be, after every atrocity, a rush to tell everyone that mainstream
muslims abhor, reject etc; these events, rather than asking the general person on the street his/her feelings or opinions.
The incarceration of the demographics you refer to were swift and all encompassing, because with bombs raining down
and battles raging, there was no time to discuss anyone's human rights. Anyone with half a brain knows most muslims do not
involve themselves, or condone such acts, we don't need to be told this constantly, yet it occurs with depressing regularity.
I wasn't suggesting we round up muslims, just comparing the British reaction to being attacked in the past to now. We are in a new type of war and are definitely under attack.We were at war with those countries though, which is quite a significant distinction.
it's also relatively easy to identify a German as being German as they have a passport. It's a lot more difficult to round up a selection of British people.
If you use this 'watch list' figures of 3,000, what would you do with them? We have around 85-90000 prisoners at the moment and the prisons are all full; where do you put them? Who pays for it?
Far right reprisals are definitely a problem, especially if they trigger a cycle of "tit for tat" attacks.Far right reprisals are not the problem, Islamic extremism is - far right reprisals are a reaction to that and wouldn't exist as they do without it.
They are A problem, not THE problem.Far right reprisals are definitely a problem, especially if they trigger a cycle of "tit for tat" attacks.