I haven't experienced anything like this, as it happens. I know lots of people who have but that's not the same thing. I've never felt completely comfortable with ideas about what masculinity is "supposed" to be, but I've always been comfortable with knowing I'm both male and a man. Having said that, though, as much as not experiencing something can often leave people a little confused and, as you've put it, unable to get their head around a concept, there's a big difference between struggling to understand something and just being insulting for the sake of it. It's one thing for posters on this forum to see a story concerning a teenage male wanting to undergo hormone therapy and eventually become a woman, it takes an extra step to make insulting remarks and convince others that this teenager represents the downfall of society. As I said, it's no different to people in the 1980s squirming at the thought of others being openly homosexual in public because they just "couldn't understand it". I don't understand what it is to be gay, to be attracted to people of the same sex, but does it make the experiences of gay people any less valid, or any more deserving of ridicule? Absolutely not. You've said it yourself, "Each to their own", it's a shame quite a lot of people can't leave this well alone if they don't understand it.
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Transgender Children
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It should be taxed to pay for the inevitable aftercare cases where it doesn't work out mentally or physically.And if they want to do it great as long as they are willing to fund it, I’m sure the native Americans didn’t need hormone therapy to be what they wanted. Be who you want to be but don’t expect the rest of us to pay for it.
Not that they should have to, but quite a lot of transgender people do foot the bill themselves. As I've explained in this thread previously, many transgender people are forced to wait two years on the NHS before starting hormone therapy and even longer than that before being offered surgery. This forces them into exploring private healthcare options for sex reassignment surgery and, in the cases of people I've known personally, Internet-based and illegal drug markets for hormone therapy. I've had to give money to friends of mine for estrogen hormones after they were denied medication after a GP appointment - they then take that money to hormone dealers (who are, unbelievably, a real thing) and get what they can.And if they want to do it great as long as they are willing to fund it, I’m sure the native Americans didn’t need hormone therapy to be what they wanted. Be who you want to be but don’t expect the rest of us to pay for it.
Just have a read of this. It's an American story but British transgender people go through similar issues: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/08/diy-hormone-replacement-therapy/498044/
More UK-based information here: https://transit.org.uk/hrt-internet.html
And if they want to do it great as long as they are willing to fund it, I’m sure the native Americans didn’t need hormone therapy to be what they wanted. Be who you want to be but don’t expect the rest of us to pay for it.
so its just the cost to the NHS you object to.
you realise that the cost to the NHS is even higher if the kids dont get what they need and end really screwed up adults with psychological problems that will need to be treated by the NHS.
slicky202
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Yep my Mrs to a T that, she has it well under control now though.
Mate you must have the patience of a saint and a heart of gold. Good on you
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And you know this how? That’s like saying we should pay for IVF indefinitely otherwise the woman will end up with mental health problems, or I should get a new knee because it depresses me because I can’t run anymore or do my job without been in pain.so its just the cost to the NHS you object to.
you realise that the cost to the NHS is even higher if the kids dont get what they need and end really screwed up adults with psychological problems that will need to be treated by the NHS.
peoffrey
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I’ve always been drawn towards girly girls. Long hair, dresses, make up, heels. There’s a couple of very geezer birds in my local pub and I don’t see what their husbands see in them. It’d be like shagging your mate with all the pint drinking and tracksuit bottoms.
Machiavelli
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Better than shagging your hand.I’ve always been drawn towards girly girls. Long hair, dresses, make up, heels. There’s a couple of very geezer birds in my local pub and I don’t see what their husbands see in them. It’d be like shagging your mate with all the pint drinking and tracksuit bottoms.
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Existed for centuries, yes, but allowing children to take hormone enhancers and hinderers to push them more towards the other way is very wrong. It should not be allowed.The gender binary system we have in place at the moment - that men are men, women are women, everything else doesn't exist etc. - is an ancient social construct that's as deeply rooted in labels and pigeonholes as the more more fluid system that's being proposed by transgender activists today. The old binary system might have been around for centuries but it doesn't mean it wasn't invented and enforced. For example, Indigenous and Native North Americans were perfectly happy with people in their society being "two-spirited" (the spirit of a man and a woman inside the same body) and often practised gender swapping in many different forms - at least until Christopher Columbus rocked up on their land and forced two-spirit people to conform to more conventional European Christian gender roles or face death. The rest is the gruesome history of the United States of America.
Gender, biology and sex not necessarily being fixed to each other, and gender being a spectrum as opposed to one thing or the other, isn't a perfect system, but the world doesn't have to live by it every day. The binary gender recognition system we have in place now is adequate if problematic and works best for the majority - as much as I'm an advocate for transgender rights and want to see a society where gender fluidity is accepted and encouraged, it's still perfectly acceptable and practical to assign a baby's gender at birth based on their genitals. What's not acceptable, however, is what happens afterwards, where primary socialisation is impacted so heavily by rigid gender roles that any child who grows up with gender dysphoria feels trapped, isolated and ignored, and then ends up as a social outcast (or the subject of ridicule from angry men on football forums) when they try to do something about it, like beginning hormone therapy before biology takes a hold of them.
Transgender people of all shapes and sizes have existed in thousands of cultures and societies for centuries and it's high time we recognised that and started treating them like human beings again. And the best first step for some people would be for them to see stories like this one and simply live and let live. Boys want to dress up as Disney princesses and wear pink, girls want to join football teams and play with cowboys and dinosaurs, and when they get older they might want to begin hormone therapy so that their physical appearance better resembles the person they believe themselves to be on the inside - so what?
kaz7
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It is fully reversable,would you rather a girl in a boys body kill themself when they go through puberty and grow balls, a bigger dick and hair than give them the benefit of the doubt knowing it's reversable should they decide they are ok later?Existed for centuries, yes, but allowing children to take hormone enhancers and hinderers to push them more towards the other way is very wrong. It should not be allowed.