Weren't Milan one of the recent cartel that complained to UEFA that their owners don't want to pump much money into the club, so why doesn't the seedings take into account the history of each club?
manyoooo were one as well (obvs).
I know they still have to qualify in their respective League.
Did it ever happen?
One day, one of the "Euro elite" will be bought up by someone who wants to spend but cant. FFP will dissapear hopefully
The clubs you mentioned were all or are all running into problems related to borrowing, FFP should always have been about debt. We've spent money we do have as Mansour has invested his money into club shares, that's fine and should be allowed.Reading through this thread I can't help but feel people are missing the woods from the trees. Laws/rules are implemented for the lowest common denominator at all levels of society, be it rules of the road or FFP. While we are getting shafted for allegedly breaking those rules they are still rules, we can't just say the rules are shit because we have loads of money just like you can't drive at 200mph in a 60mph zone if your car is capable of it and you are a trained formula one driver.
AC Milan are mentioned a lot, when I was growing up they were football, probably still the best team I've ever seen. FFP could well have saved them, a gang of crooks got hold of that club and would have tried anything they could no matter how much danger it put the club in, FFP stepped in before things get out of control. Closer to home Chelsea owe Abramovich £1.2bn, he could call that debt in at anytime and literally shut the club down, Everton owe Moshri £350m, that would go along way to sending Everton into oblivion. Liverpool nearly failed FFP rules under the previous owners and they didn't even spend any money on players.
What I'm trying to say is for every Man City owner there are 1000000 gangsters like the guys who owned Portsmouth, Blackpool, Bury, Leeds, even Gretna fucking town. Platini being a crook doesn't change that.
Reading through this thread I can't help but feel people are missing the woods from the trees. Laws/rules are implemented for the lowest common denominator at all levels of society, be it rules of the road or FFP. While we are getting shafted for allegedly breaking those rules they are still rules, we can't just say the rules are shit because we have loads of money just like you can't drive at 200mph in a 60mph zone if your car is capable of it and you are a trained formula one driver.
AC Milan are mentioned a lot, when I was growing up they were football, probably still the best team I've ever seen. FFP could well have saved them, a gang of crooks got hold of that club and would have tried anything they could no matter how much danger it put the club in, FFP stepped in before things get out of control. Closer to home Chelsea owe Abramovich £1.2bn, he could call that debt in at anytime and literally shut the club down, Everton owe Moshri £350m, that would go along way to sending Everton into oblivion. Liverpool nearly failed FFP rules under the previous owners and they didn't even spend any money on players.
What I'm trying to say is for every Man City owner there are 1000000 gangsters like the guys who owned Portsmouth, Blackpool, Bury, Leeds, even Gretna fucking town. Platini being a crook doesn't change that.
You`re talking to the converted on this subject mate.Correct - but that doesn’t mean it applies to our club.
In fact we’ve behaved in the exact opposite manner where sheik Mansour has completely invested the money int he club - meaning he has not loaned it.
Despite the fact he’s wiped all debt out at our club and weare in a healthier position than the majority of clubs in Europe - we’re still being bollocked over ffp.
It’s simply not right.
You’ve illustrated the very problem with ffp.Reading through this thread I can't help but feel people are missing the woods from the trees. Laws/rules are implemented for the lowest common denominator at all levels of society, be it rules of the road or FFP. While we are getting shafted for allegedly breaking those rules they are still rules, we can't just say the rules are shit because we have loads of money just like you can't drive at 200mph in a 60mph zone if your car is capable of it and you are a trained formula one driver.
AC Milan are mentioned a lot, when I was growing up they were football, probably still the best team I've ever seen. FFP could well have saved them, a gang of crooks got hold of that club and would have tried anything they could no matter how much danger it put the club in, FFP stepped in before things get out of control. Closer to home Chelsea owe Abramovich £1.2bn, he could call that debt in at anytime and literally shut the club down, Everton owe Moshri £350m, that would go along way to sending Everton into oblivion. Liverpool nearly failed FFP rules under the previous owners and they didn't even spend any money on players.
What I'm trying to say is for every Man City owner there are 1000000 gangsters like the guys who owned Portsmouth, Blackpool, Bury, Leeds, even Gretna fucking town. Platini being a crook doesn't change that.
The clubs you mentioned were all or are all running into problems related to borrowing, FFP should always have been about debt. We've spent money we do have as Mansour has invested his money into club shares, that's fine and should be allowed.
Even now the rags never spend more than they earn but there's nothing in the rules that's going to stop the Glazers taking out a $2.5 billion loan against their shares and making the club repay it, crippling them in the process and driving them into bankruptcy. The rules aren't fit for purpose as they're designed to protect the cartel from outside investment rather than to protect every clubs financial health.