Gundogan back to Dortmund ?

Can I ask then, if/when Sane resigns, sorts his attitude out etc, Bernardo/Foden wouldnt be better suited, work rate athleticism age etc.
I don't think Sane will resign. But if he does and Pep decides to start him more then sure Bernado probably gets the minutes in the middle.

But if I were to guess, I'd say Bernado still gets most of his game time wide right, even if Sane gets more starts.
 
Was I watching a different player? Let the guy go. Bernardo Dave Kev Phil Rodri Dino and Zinch. 7 reasons ill drop him off at the airport.
Rodri - Hasn't even signed yet and we don't know how long it will take for him to learn the system.
Fernandinho - 34 and probably has one more year, maybe two, as DM at City.
David - 33 and likely to leave after next season.
Bernardo - Pep clearly sees his best position as right wing.
Zinchenko - Plays as a midfielder for Ukraine but how often has he played there for us?
Foden - Big potential but that's all he is at the moment.

With all that in mind and the possibility of a transfer ban, to get rid of Gundogan
would be utter madness imo.
 
Pep likes Gundogan because he has the the ability to play both as a #6 and #8. You could say he's better as a #6 and Rodri is coming so there isn't a need, but I feel there will be games where Pep plays both Gundo and Rodri/Fern. The reason being Gundo can play as a secondary holding midfielder when required. He can drop deeper and help the #6 and can also shift mid game and go further forward if needed. Pep always says there is something about Gundo in the box. Last season against the rags. This season against Chelsea when we scored 6. His ability to gets shots off quickly in the box, much like his penalty kicks is clinical.
 
Pep likes Gundogan because he has the the ability to play both as a #6 and #8. You could say he's better as a #6 and Rodri is coming so there isn't a need, but I feel there will be games where Pep plays both Gundo and Rodri/Fern. The reason being Gundo can play as a secondary holding midfielder when required. He can drop deeper and help the #6 and can also shift mid game and go further forward if needed. Pep always says there is something about Gundo in the box. Last season against the rags. This season against Chelsea when we scored 6. His ability to gets shots off quickly in the box, much like his penalty kicks is clinical.

Very good point. Also to note with Fernandinho he is limited, he cannot progress forward as much. With Rodri and his ability to play in tight spaces and keep the ball in rotation, it will help Gündogan be more creative and have a lot more freedom. Also for KDB he will not have to drop deep, both 8s will find themselves in much better space at times and the midfield will work well as a unit. Gündogan is amazing box to box, that's why Klopp valued him so much at Dortmund.
 
Very good point. Also to note with Fernandinho he is limited, he cannot progress forward as much. With Rodri and his ability to play in tight spaces and keep the ball in rotation, it will help Gündogan be more creative and have a lot more freedom. Also for KDB he will not have to drop deep, both 8s will find themselves in much better space at times and the midfield will work well as a unit. Gündogan is amazing box to box, that's why Klopp valued him so much at Dortmund.
That is a myth about dinho
 
That is a myth about dinho
It is not. Fernandinho just cannot play as well in tight spaces or against opposition with high press, defensively he will always succeed but get caught out offensively in build up or transition. So you need someone like Gündogan or KDB to drop deep and give him an out ball (or either full back in midfield). He can distribute decent enough given time and space tho, but still not that high quality. That's not a mark on his abilities, he has adapted as much as he can and so has Pep to suit the needs. With solely players like Rodri our play will be way more expansive.
 
It is not. Fernandinho just cannot play as well in tight spaces or against opposition with high press, defensively he will always succeed but get caught out offensively in build up or transition. So you need someone like Gündogan or KDB to drop deep and give him an out ball (or either full back in midfield). He can distribute decent enough given time and space tho, but still not that high quality. That's not a mark on his abilities, he has adapted as much as he can and so has Pep to suit the needs. With solely players like Rodri our play will be way more expansive.

Honestly, whatever you want to say with your analysis - Fern doesn't need to be better as a DM, he's had a good season being 33 and was good enough to win a couple of titles. Better leave Fern out of your equation. We love him for what he did, is and will do.

It will be more than fantastic if/when Rodri arrives but he won't play 60 matches. He will have to integrate and learn a lot of new things at City.

To answer the opening post: no. That's why nobody cares to contribute to that idea.
Better change thread title @citizen1894 ;-)
 
It is not. Fernandinho just cannot play as well in tight spaces or against opposition with high press, defensively he will always succeed but get caught out offensively in build up or transition. So you need someone like Gündogan or KDB to drop deep and give him an out ball (or either full back in midfield). He can distribute decent enough given time and space tho, but still not that high quality. That's not a mark on his abilities, he has adapted as much as he can and so has Pep to suit the needs. With solely players like Rodri our play will be way more expansive.
Ferdy can not play in tight spaces or against opposition with high press?? what crap is that Ferdy has lost his pace which means he picks up injuries and bookings more, but the bad news for you is he is still faster than Gundogan a necessity for a DM or a box to box as showed against Leicester and palace, Gundogan is still our worst AM and will leave next summer for a big fat signing on fee, This season we need him as we do not know how Rodri will pan out even if we can guess how
 
It is not. Fernandinho just cannot play as well in tight spaces or against opposition with high press, defensively he will always succeed but get caught out offensively in build up or transition.
I'm not sure what you watch or where from, but you could do with getting a better stream, its true he struggled when he had Yaya alongside him, because he was expected to do far too much work, he was fine at it for most of last season, because the work was shared out across all midfields players. He gets forward very well and his passes from deep often rip defences apart.
 

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