Suggest Dennis reads the actual law. All it states is shoulder. I believe the bit he is quoting is from some advice handed out to refs as a guidline about 5 years ago which they have since reversed. Also the Balo goal V Norwich should have been disallowed in law, not that I am complainingWrong according to below... above arm pit is not hand ball. See balo v Norwich for shoulder goal.
Answer provided by Referee Dennis Wickham
The 'hand' includes fingertips, upper arm, and the outer part of the shoulder. It does not include the top of the shoulder.
Wasn’t aware of the ball touches bit. I can think of a few pundits in need of that linkNo, it’s at the point the player touches the ball:
“At the moment the ball touches or is played by his team mate”
https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_11_offside_en_47383.pdf
Or we can all just believe they’ve not got a clue and/or it’s some conspiracy in aid of United and Liverpool and we (and the multi billion pound industry) are all being lied to.Until such a time the exact system used is revealed to all and the way it is calibrated and its accuracy, you like the rest of us here are guessing and the question will remain no matter how much you think you know and that is, "how accurate is it"?
Same with most laws in football. I had this argument in Dunes last night with Andy.Wasn’t aware of the ball touches bit. I can think of a few pundits in need of that link
He must have given 2 interviews then because in the one I saw he said he accepted the decision but didn't like the way the flow of the game was interrupted.
I think that the issue of the a 2 minute delay is what bothers most fans. It reduces your connection to the game. You have to emotionally detach yourself from goals when they go in, and wait.
There are issues such as scope for manipulation and the precision with which they can make an offside call. I think they should change the offside rule because I don't believe they can do what they claim, i.e. measure absolutely whether a player is offside or not. With all the variables involved there could be a significant error.
We're guessing. The fact we're guessing suggests that the process isn't so good, otherise they'd be open about how it operates.
I suspect if they let the cameras in to see what they do, people will realise it's fallibilities and it will get thrown out. This is making me suspicious that it's not all its cracked up to be. if it works, and you can reliable reproduce all the weekend's calls again and again and again, then show it to the public, and more people will accept it, but the fact they haven't makes me wonder whether it's reliable
Or we can all just believe they’ve not got a clue and/or it’s some conspiracy in aid of United and Liverpool and we (and the multi billion pound industry) are all being lied to.