Tugay One Cup
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To be fair, Gerard Houllier was a terrible manager. Mancini isn't exactly infallible either and seems like a tosser.
I doubt Ireland would have made it with us now but I don't think it's due to a lack of ability.
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Stephen Ireland
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To be fair, Gerard Houllier was a terrible manager. Mancini isn't exactly infallible either and seems like a tosser.
I doubt Ireland would have made it with us now but I don't think it's due to a lack of ability.
" Mancini seems like a tosser"? you got to be jokingTo be fair, Gerard Houllier was a terrible manager. Mancini isn't exactly infallible either and seems like a tosser.
I doubt Ireland would have made it with us now but I don't think it's due to a lack of ability.
Roberto Mancini turned up from serial losers and a joke to Champions and ended years of heartache.
I don't think Mancini is a tosser either but having an impressive trophy record doesn't mean he isn't one. He's a person before he's a football manager and it could just be the truth that he's a wanker. We'll never know because we don't know him.Roberto Mancini turned up from serial losers and a joke to Champions and ended years of heartache.
As for the interview, I found it to be really interesting and illuminating. The way Ireland talks about mistakes he's made in the past unfortunately reminded me of the way Barton often speaks about his past transgressions. Now obviously Barton is a walking thug whereas Ireland just seems misguided, but he seems to put the blame at everybody else's feet before questioning his own actions. I'm sure if we were to speak to Mancini and Houiller, who really don't come across well here at all, they'd have their own version of events. By the time Mancini came in Ireland's form had already suffered - he'd started 12 of 18 possible league games before Hughes was sacked but he'd scored just 2 goals in that time, contributing no assists. After Mancini came in Ireland picked up a few injuries, we signed Vieira and Johnson who occupied both of his positions, and then during that following summer we signed James Milner, David Silva, and Yaya Toure. He was never going to get back in once that happened. I don't think anybody is to blame for what happened to Ireland's career after that, maybe Randy Lerner, but I got the feeling from his words that he believes the footballing world owes him something when, frankly, it doesn't. Sometimes players' careers stagnate for a million reasons and one - bad luck, bad decisions, all sorts - but I don't know how he expects to find a new club like this. Imagine if you were a League One manager who fancied taking a punt on him only to see that he's slagged off all the other managers he's played under. You wouldn't dare get in touch with him.
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A lot of being a successful football is what goes on in your head.
You have to have the skills, sure, but unless you've got the right mental attitude/strength, whatever you like to call it, you won't be a long term success, and certainly not in the modern game which is so demanding in the matter of self-discipline.
I'm sure we can all draw up a long list of people with excellent skills who did not make it because of their character/mental attitude/whatever.
I don't think the likes of Pep can be arsed mithering with people who aren't fully up to the mark. Some "lesser" managers were and are, and sometimes that pays off. But it requires the patience of Job.
You have to have the skills, sure, but unless you've got the right mental attitude/strength, whatever you like to call it, you won't be a long term success, and certainly not in the modern game which is so demanding in the matter of self-discipline.
I'm sure we can all draw up a long list of people with excellent skills who did not make it because of their character/mental attitude/whatever.
I don't think the likes of Pep can be arsed mithering with people who aren't fully up to the mark. Some "lesser" managers were and are, and sometimes that pays off. But it requires the patience of Job.
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" Mancini seems like a tosser"? you got to be joking
Roberto Mancini turned up from serial losers and a joke to Champions and ended years of heartache.
Good manager and exactly what we needed at the time, but maybe lacked a bedside manner?!!
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" Mancini seems like a tosser"? you got to be joking
Roberto Mancini turned up from serial losers and a joke to Champions and ended years of heartache.
Of course he’s a tosser. He’s an arrogant, pig headed bully with no man management skills. He’s been perennially sacked since and now manages Italy.
He failed in Europe consistently and his last match was a humiliating FA Cup Final defeat to the mighty Wigan.
Well he is the TOSSER whom tore than F**ing banner down from old traford and for doing that I will be forever grateful.Of course he’s a tosser. He’s an arrogant, pig headed bully with no man management skills. He’s been perennially sacked since and now manages Italy.
He failed in Europe consistently and his last match was a humiliating FA Cup Final defeat to the mighty Wigan.
samarasra
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Credit to what he achieved and eternally grateful. Sadly he was also tearing City apart, spoke to some employees after he left and they couldn't wait to see the back of him." Mancini seems like a tosser"? you got to be joking
Roberto Mancini turned up from serial losers and a joke to Champions and ended years of heartache.
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Of course he’s a tosser. He’s an arrogant, pig headed bully with no man management skills. He’s been perennially sacked since and now manages Italy.
He failed in Europe consistently and his last match was a humiliating FA Cup Final defeat to the mighty Wigan.[/QUOTE ]
Got to admit i loved him and was very disappointed with the lack of support for him in his last year, from everyone especially the city press officer, but looking back on it there was no way we could have gone straight from Zonal to high press and we were already after Pep[/QUOTE]
samarasra
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I said, as you highlighted, "He would have fitted like a glove into a Pep squad" not "start in our midfield" as you imply. Followed his career from youths level saw enough to think he had the skill, vision and work ethic that a manager of Pep's quality would value and improve to a higher level. He was player of the year, admittedly not in a 100 point team. A quote from Pep on the role of an individual player: "They don't play alone, it is not tennis,it is not golf. You play with 10 players against one system of the opponents. Many, many things are involved in one player performing well in a team".Watching him. He was average at best and lacked heart. If you think he’d start in our midfield and that he is at that level of player we now have then I’m not sure you saw a lot of him.
We are not a group of Galacticos or world record signings bought to sell shirts, we are a squad of mainly high priced players bought with the capacity for improvement and to fit into a formula. What you saw as an average at best player 11 years ago under Hughes might have been a better than average player under Pep's coaching and system .
Sadly we will never know. He says he didn't feel he was good enough to play with the quality of new players coming, it seems lack of confidence rather than lack of heart was an issue.