Petrol and diesel car targets

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

The people who propose bans on any form of mechanical/electrical transport haven't the faintest idea of what is going to happen over the next thirty years. The political idea of banning 'stuff' is simply an attempt to appear environmentally friendly and thus, possibly a vote-chaser!

 

[Blue tube]

If its taken the Government over 10 years and billions of pounds to realize HS2 is a waste of time and money i cant see them organizing anything like this in 50 years

 

[denislawsbackheel]

It won’t happen.

 

[lonestay]

We had better get building those power stations then to provide all that electricity for these electric cars.Oh wait we cant use coal tho cos thats a dirty fuel, never mind we can use nuclear power instead ,oh hang on thats not so clean either ,and both these fuels will have the protesters up in arms and the NIMBYs out as well. Hang on though we have wind energy hurray for green fuel, just have to build all those windmills all over the country and the coastline now job done ! whats that you dont want a massive windmill blocking your view from your house, and blighting the countryside and the coastlines of the UK. Ok so whats the answer then Mr Protester? Ah you dont actually have an answer apart from un-invent the modern world .

 

[Manchester33]

Not unless current technology improves dramatically, unless the "common man" is going back to horse and cart.

Massive investment in generation (sustainable) required
Unparalleled investment in infrastructure to provide charging stations
Basic obstacles like how does someone with on street parking, not necessarily near their own home, charge an EV

There are 38 million cars in the uk today, and there are about 25,000 charging points, whilst there are 8400 petrol stations

Assume 10 pumps per station, 5 minutes per car 12 hours/day thats 1440 car refuels per station per day, or 12 million a week for the country so you can basically refill your car every 3 days without stretching the capacity

Electric cars need say 2 hours (based on basic nissan leaf on a type 2 charger) and would need a recharge say every 2 days, so 1 charging point running 24 hours/day can charge 12 cars at best in a day

on that basis 38 million cars charged every 2 days would need about 1.5 million charging stations

OK so the math is highly subjective and ignores home charging completely and assumes each station operates at full capacity all the time, but it does give a (conservative) indication of the scale of the issue

Electric cars on a mass scale only become realistic (imo) when either hydrogen fuel cells become viable or on-car solar energy becomes efficient enough to replace charging stations

<sits back and awaits incoming>

I think you're trying to apply today's reality too much. Consider this as an alternative, which might be normalised by 2040 (as far fetched as you think it might be):


- Driverless AI and Cheap Fuel (electricity) makes hiring taxi's cheaper (no need to own your own car)
- Cars return to depots where it's battery is quickly disconnected and a freshly charged battery is inserted
- These depots have the ability to charge thousands of batteries at once, more quickly and using greener energy than todays capabilities - the cars would also have a greater range

 

[blueinsa]

Petrol will still be here but diesel will have gone.

Electric cars will still cost a fortune though despite being old tech by then as they will still want to cream the money off you.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Where’s this cheap electricity coming from?

 

[Manchester33]

We had better get building those power stations then to provide all that electricity for these electric cars.Oh wait we cant use coal tho cos thats a dirty fuel, never mind we can use nuclear power instead ,oh hang on thats not so clean either ,and both these fuels will have the protesters up in arms and the NIMBYs out as well. Hang on though we have wind energy hurray for green fuel, just have to build all those windmills all over the country and the coastline now job done ! whats that you dont want a massive windmill blocking your view from your house, and blighting the countryside and the coastlines of the UK. Ok so whats the answer then Mr Protester? Ah you dont actually have an answer apart from un-invent the modern world .

You're being incredibly unimaginative. Consider that technology advances exponentially, meaning it's not unrealistic to consider we can make greener energy more efficient. We can decrease the damage caused by fossil fuels and so on. Just because something isn't perfect now doesn't mean it won't improve and look how far green energy has come considering the fossil fuel industry has had over 100 years head-start + trillions more £s invested into it.

No-one likes those wind turbines, but we might make them more efficient and eventually require fewer.

We're an Island with huge potential for tidal power schemes.

Every roof in the country has potential to provide solar power.


I don't want to 'uninvent the modern world', in-fact I want to progress the modernisation of the planet. The modern world is one that NEEDS to move forward, not backwards.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Don't care, I'll be to fucked to drive or dead by then.

 

[Manchester33]

Where’s this cheap electricity coming from?

Cheap fuel such as electricity.*

Electricity is considerably cheaper than Petrol/Diesel. Oil is the most expensive commodity on the planet.