Football fans attacking Youtube fan channels

Interesting. I wanted to know what the argument against them is so thanks for replying.

I know about Mark Goldbridge, or I have heard before that he's a Forest fan. I have no idea why people listen to him. It's just his own opinion and I see no interest in it. I watch fan channels to see fans being interviewed to see what they think. Most of the comments are from fans streaming out of games and they seem authentic to me. On the contrary I think most of the fans come across quite well. I think by and large you probably only get confident speakers responding. If someone put a mic infront of me I'd turn around.

Did you get that information from a fanzine or is it available online?
It seems my info is dated mate and not quite right (see @twosips) reply to my post, with regards to ownership of the channels etc
Like I said I wasn't sure if the info was right as I'd got it from Red Issue via twitter and I got the impression that Red Issue had an axe to grind
 
  • AFTV make money off negativity around Arsenal
  • Arsenal fans confront them
  • AFTV label the fans yobs. Passionate fans seeing their club harassed are called "thugs"

All I saw in that shoutyman video was aftv propaganda. All I see from the press/media is propaganda. Propaganda and clickbait everywhere
The only honesty is from the fanbases, they know how it feels and they say it like it is, without any fucking pretences or clickbait bullshit. I believe the fans, not these new wannabe stars with their career plans and increasing the revenue targets.

So, if aftv get their collective heads kicked in it's because they deserve it imo. Sorry :(
Thanks for the reply.

I know they make money, or they try to.

I know there have been confrontations. I wanted to know what the argument was against them because I haven't read or heard their arguments. I've seen them try to stop the Youtubers filming but they haven't picked up the mic. and explained what it is they object to. I know they've been described as thugs.

I know some of these Youtube 'stars' want to make money, or more likely they want a job working as a presenter and I see some of them going on to do that but they are coming out of the fans. They are interviewing fans. Some of the YouTube channels are clickbait nonsense but some are fans interviewing others and the opinions are their own.
 
I have noticed in the last few weeks that Arsenal Fan TV and United Stand Youtube presenters have been confronted by their own fans after games when they've been filming.

What do you think about this?

The interview below summarises the situation and articulates it from the Youtube presenters point of view



I know these channels are set up on a commercial basis to make and it might be a good career option for people who are good at speaking. You can see some of the presenters going to work for football clubs and more traditional football media but what do ordinary fans make of their influence. Are they good or bad?

I like them because I can use them to get an idea about what fans of a certain club are thinking.

However, is there a down-side to them. Are they toxic? Can they destabilise a club's fanbase to the extent that they make it very very difficult for players and manager to work? Look at Arsenal. If you watch their games, you can hear their fans screaming all kinds of abuse at their players, and their channel gets huge viewing figures. It's very influential.

I don't think there's anything wrong with them but I would like to hear opinions. I do think that they make football supporters more emboldened and volatile and influential but that is not a bad thing.

It would also be interesting to know how viable they are commercially. Are the popular fan channels making money? There's a proliferation of them.

Man Utd have loads of them:

Fulltimedevils, United Stand, United Central. Then each of their presenters have their own channels on top.



Arsenal fans are angry because most of them grew up supporting Wenger's team, saw the invincibles, Henry, Vieira etc., were sold a dream that didn't come to fruition and have now lived through 15 years of worse and worse football with no sign of light at the end of the tunnel.

At first they were angry with the owners.

Then they were angry with the players, who couldn't live up to the old players, but then more players came and went and it became impossible to believe they were all rotten.

Then they blamed Wenger. That reached a crescendo with ArseneOut banners, and AFTV became a big part of that because they gave fans a voice and entered the mainstream.

Then Wenger went and they blamed Emery.

Now Emery has gone, the players have all changed, the owners have spent some money, Wenger's out of the picture and something happened - the mainstream media and pundits started turning on the Arsenal fans, saying they were entitled and toxic.

So then the anger turned towards the people who gave the fans a platform to show off that toxicity, AFTV. People who are supposed to have profited off the misery of the last 15 years.


The problem is they will never stop being angry because they're not a good team. When AFTV goes, something new will be blamed, because they were sold a dream with the new stadium, that it would give the riches and clout to compete for titles in perpetuity, and by the time it was built, Abramovic and Mansour ended that dream and changed the footballing landscape to one where you couldn't take 5 years off resting on your laurels to finance a stadium.


This is the cause of the hate for fan tv that you're seeing. It's Arsenal turning on their own, and then because Arsenal's fan presence is so big, other fanbases are just being sheep and following suit because if the biggest fan channel of them all, AFTV is bad, so must all the others.
 
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west ham have a channel, full of moaning tossers trying to be the most anti owner, manager, certain player or whoever - one defeat and its pure venom. f*ckin embarrassing.
 


Is this the knob your on about
Asian cough presenter
Or the doorman at hotel football or the ex corrie actor big mouth trevor or ...get the jist ....many knobs associated with FTD

The doorman at the hotel is ex-Utd security I think?

Knobs because they support Man Utd. I've seen Howson take the p'ss but so do we. Recently it rebounds in his face. It's just banter. We'd be lost without it.

Adam McKola is sound imo. All he's doing is supporting his side, and interviewing fans. He gets his opinion across as well but he's very reasonable. I think he's quite funny but each to their own.

Some fans seem to think that they give a bad impression of Arsenal fans, or Man Utd fans but to be honest I think guys like Troopz, Claude etc are good guys and I like them. They come across personable, smart and funny. Some I don't like but I don't see the whole concept as flawed. It seems to start as a hobby, and then gets commercialised if it takes off, or there's a commercial route to go down if you have a talent for this sort of thing. I don't, but I think it's quite a good thing to get into if you can spare the time and resources.

There's a few times I have to speak in front of audiences and my heart rate goes through the roof and I can't think. Doing stuff like this is a life skill. Much easier to talk about football than certain other things that aren't so interesting.
 

Nooooooo.
You mean to say we won't have to listen to mini me screeching his bollocks off anymore?
For the love of god PLEASE DO NOT GET RID OF FULL TIME DEVILS.
It's the funniest thing out there.
 
@Marvin
Here is the red issue link on twitter mate that covers ownership, but @twosips states its dated info and I've no reason to doubt him on it

Thank you. I'll have a read through that twitter thread. That was really what I was after. I could see an argument going on but hadn't got the angles on it.

I can see that the Youtubers have got a company behind them but that does not necessarily kill the whole enterprise for me.

Breaking bad, music, culture all our favourite things are all distributed for profit, it doesn't necessarily taint the content. Man City have been privately owned by one businessman after another and there's huge money in football, and yet we remain fans.
 

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