Investigation in Liverpool's 'hacking' of our computer systems

[smevchenko]

OK Stealing information. How does that suit your Liverpool bias? Actual industrial espionage.

Liverpool Bias? So I make a few posts that don't sit well with the crowd that claim everything in the football world is aligned with the sole intention of ensuring Liverpool win the PL, and i'm a secret Liverpool fan? The actual post you referenced had absolutely nothing to do with Liverpool either.

For what its worth on the actual subject, and these points are made without knowing the law, just an opinion:

The way I see it, Liverpool hired some former City staff who for a period of 8 months used existing login details whilst employed at Liverpool to see details of City's activities on the Scout7 platform. I don't believe this to be morally right, and Liverpool could have gained some vital information on who we were tracking and potentially gained an advantage when deciding which players to try and sign. I think it is safe to say Liverpool had knowledge that this was happening, although their payment of £1m was made without any acknowledgement of liability.

Whilst City are in this instance the victims, they have also shown themselves to have made some pretty basic errors. Upon leaving the club, why were the staff members credentials not deleted? I agree that this is a serious crime (someone can tell me exactly what the crime is), and Liverpool should face some form of punishment, but there must be some reason why the club did not inform the FA of the situation? That would appear to be the most obvious course to take. Accepting the £1m, whilst maybe not the end of the matter by law (again, maybe someone can explain this), suggests to me, that City saw this as an acceptable resolution to the situation.

So whilst I understand the displeasure in Liverpool's actions, who may well have been better advised to sack the staff members in question along with making a payment City accepted, I also find it hard to be too bothered by the whole episode considering City's stance. A lot of people on here are suggesting serious sanctions, such as point deductions etc, and surely they agree that the likelihood of this happening would have been much higher if City had made a big story out of this at the time. Something doesn't add up, or people at City who have more information regarding the matter, decided it was not worth pursuing.

 

[CharliesRightPeg]

Liverpool Bias? So I make a few posts that don't sit well with the crowd that claim everything in the football world is aligned with the sole intention of ensuring Liverpool win the PL, and i'm a secret Liverpool fan? The actual post you referenced had absolutely nothing to do with Liverpool either.

For what its worth on the actual subject, and these points are made without knowing the law, just an opinion:

The way I see it, Liverpool hired some former City staff who for a period of 8 months used existing login details whilst employed at Liverpool to see details of City's activities on the Scout7 platform. I don't believe this to be morally right, and Liverpool could have gained some vital information on who we were tracking and potentially gained an advantage when deciding which players to try and sign. I think it is safe to say Liverpool had knowledge that this was happening, although their payment of £1m was made without any acknowledgement of liability.

Whilst City are in this instance the victims, they have also shown themselves to have made some pretty basic errors. Upon leaving the club, why were the staff members credentials not deleted? I agree that this is a serious crime (someone can tell me exactly what the crime is), and Liverpool should face some form of punishment, but there must be some reason why the club did not inform the FA of the situation? That would appear to be the most obvious course to take. Accepting the £1m, whilst maybe not the end of the matter by law (again, maybe someone can explain this), suggests to me, that City saw this as an acceptable resolution to the situation.

So whilst I understand the displeasure in Liverpool's actions, who may well have been better advised to sack the staff members in question along with making a payment City accepted, I also find it hard to be too bothered by the whole episode considering City's stance. A lot of people on here are suggesting serious sanctions, such as point deductions etc, and surely they agree that the likelihood of this happening would have been much higher if City had made a big story out of this at the time. Something doesn't add up, or people at City who have more information regarding the matter, decided it was not worth pursuing.

Big hole in that argument, he was using someone else's login details

 

[goldcoastblue]

Liverpool Bias? So I make a few posts that don't sit well with the crowd that claim everything in the football world is aligned with the sole intention of ensuring Liverpool win the PL, and i'm a secret Liverpool fan? The actual post you referenced had absolutely nothing to do with Liverpool either.

For what its worth on the actual subject, and these points are made without knowing the law, just an opinion:

The way I see it, Liverpool hired some former City staff who for a period of 8 months used existing login details whilst employed at Liverpool to see details of City's activities on the Scout7 platform. I don't believe this to be morally right, and Liverpool could have gained some vital information on who we were tracking and potentially gained an advantage when deciding which players to try and sign. I think it is safe to say Liverpool had knowledge that this was happening, although their payment of £1m was made without any acknowledgement of liability.

Whilst City are in this instance the victims, they have also shown themselves to have made some pretty basic errors. Upon leaving the club, why were the staff members credentials not deleted? I agree that this is a serious crime (someone can tell me exactly what the crime is), and Liverpool should face some form of punishment, but there must be some reason why the club did not inform the FA of the situation? That would appear to be the most obvious course to take. Accepting the £1m, whilst maybe not the end of the matter by law (again, maybe someone can explain this), suggests to me, that City saw this as an acceptable resolution to the situation.

So whilst I understand the displeasure in Liverpool's actions, who may well have been better advised to sack the staff members in question along with making a payment City accepted, I also find it hard to be too bothered by the whole episode considering City's stance. A lot of people on here are suggesting serious sanctions, such as point deductions etc, and surely they agree that the likelihood of this happening would have been much higher if City had made a big story out of this at the time. Something doesn't add up, or people at City who have more information regarding the matter, decided it was not worth pursuing.

They used the credentials of someone who was still at the club. They did not and i repeat did not use their own credentials they had whilst at the club. They stole his login details and used that. Now that you should see it differwntly would ypu like to amend the rest of the bullshit

 

[Eds]

Can't everyone see that what they have is cheating pure and simple. They illegally hacked a competitor's database. Given what might be happening to Saracens in Rugby then a demotion of two leagues as a minimum should be happening to Liverpool plus a huge fine. Mind you the football authorities don't have the balls that the rugby guys do. And still no media coverage of the whole murky situation, how odd. This is a huge unprecedented scandal yet nobody wants to talk about it, I wonder why?

 

[BAB.DAB]

Liverpool Bias? So I make a few posts that don't sit well with the crowd that claim everything in the football world is aligned with the sole intention of ensuring Liverpool win the PL, and i'm a secret Liverpool fan? The actual post you referenced had absolutely nothing to do with Liverpool either.

For what its worth on the actual subject, and these points are made without knowing the law, just an opinion:

The way I see it, Liverpool hired some former City staff who for a period of 8 months used existing login details whilst employed at Liverpool to see details of City's activities on the Scout7 platform. I don't believe this to be morally right, and Liverpool could have gained some vital information on who we were tracking and potentially gained an advantage when deciding which players to try and sign. I think it is safe to say Liverpool had knowledge that this was happening, although their payment of £1m was made without any acknowledgement of liability.

Whilst City are in this instance the victims, they have also shown themselves to have made some pretty basic errors. Upon leaving the club, why were the staff members credentials not deleted? I agree that this is a serious crime (someone can tell me exactly what the crime is), and Liverpool should face some form of punishment, but there must be some reason why the club did not inform the FA of the situation? That would appear to be the most obvious course to take. Accepting the £1m, whilst maybe not the end of the matter by law (again, maybe someone can explain this), suggests to me, that City saw this as an acceptable resolution to the situation.

So whilst I understand the displeasure in Liverpool's actions, who may well have been better advised to sack the staff members in question along with making a payment City accepted, I also find it hard to be too bothered by the whole episode considering City's stance. A lot of people on here are suggesting serious sanctions, such as point deductions etc, and surely they agree that the likelihood of this happening would have been much higher if City had made a big story out of this at the time. Something doesn't add up, or people at City who have more information regarding the matter, decided it was not worth pursuing.

The question people should be asking is ' did Liverpool's hacking of our scouting database change their transfer policy'?

 

[smevchenko]

Big hole in that argument, he was using someone else's login details

Not really, the main argument is that City did not pursue the matter, or even make the authorities aware of the matter. Although the articles I have read on the subject do not state which credentials were used, their own from previous employment at City, or someone else still employed by City. I agree there is a big difference between the two, and would make the matter more serious, but then also raises questions as to why City did not inform the FA.

 

[smevchenko]

They used the credentials of someone who was still at the club. They did not and i repeat did not use their own credentials they had whilst at the club. They stole his login details and used that. Now that you should see it differwntly would ypu like to amend the rest of the bullshit

I think you got that angry whilst writing, you made some errors. Maybe you can amend your bullshit as well :)

 

[give it to gordon]

To be honest City should be able to leave the accounts open as these people dont work for City any more so why would they be hacking into their City accounts?. Inless they were spying.
City closed their accounts down and than they used other people's accounts to hack into other data.

The thing I find very odd about the whole thing is the dippers paid City a million just for the fun of it , and than prompted them all.

To promote them was to say well done on getting the information the dippers wanted or to say the dippers did nothing wrong and to prove it we have promoted them !

I just dont get why they would just pay a million quid to make City to go away if the dippers are innocent as we all know the dippers love to play the victim...

 

[oakiecokie]

I think you got that angry whilst writing, you made some errors. Maybe you can amend your bullshit as well :)

I can`t understand any so called "Manchester City" fans, deciding that City are at fault here and Liverpool should be absolved of any wrong doings.I question your so called "support" of my Club.

 

[Marvin]

Liverpool Bias? So I make a few posts that don't sit well with the crowd that claim everything in the football world is aligned with the sole intention of ensuring Liverpool win the PL, and i'm a secret Liverpool fan? The actual post you referenced had absolutely nothing to do with Liverpool either.

For what its worth on the actual subject, and these points are made without knowing the law, just an opinion:

The way I see it, Liverpool hired some former City staff who for a period of 8 months used existing login details whilst employed at Liverpool to see details of City's activities on the Scout7 platform. I don't believe this to be morally right, and Liverpool could have gained some vital information on who we were tracking and potentially gained an advantage when deciding which players to try and sign. I think it is safe to say Liverpool had knowledge that this was happening, although their payment of £1m was made without any acknowledgement of liability.

Whilst City are in this instance the victims, they have also shown themselves to have made some pretty basic errors. Upon leaving the club, why were the staff members credentials not deleted? I agree that this is a serious crime (someone can tell me exactly what the crime is), and Liverpool should face some form of punishment, but there must be some reason why the club did not inform the FA of the situation? That would appear to be the most obvious course to take. Accepting the £1m, whilst maybe not the end of the matter by law (again, maybe someone can explain this), suggests to me, that City saw this as an acceptable resolution to the situation.

So whilst I understand the displeasure in Liverpool's actions, who may well have been better advised to sack the staff members in question along with making a payment City accepted, I also find it hard to be too bothered by the whole episode considering City's stance. A lot of people on here are suggesting serious sanctions, such as point deductions etc, and surely they agree that the likelihood of this happening would have been much higher if City had made a big story out of this at the time. Something doesn't add up, or people at City who have more information regarding the matter, decided it was not worth pursuing.

It would still have been theft had they used their old logins. The staff allegedly involved at LFC weren't sacked, they were promoted and are in significant positions, and LFC are believed to have acted on the information. The material in the Times alleges that City have forensic evidence that LFC staff over a period of 6 months accessed sensitive commercial information from Manchester City. It's also been alleged that Liverpool moved on City's target and that is how the problem was identified and hence City's protests to LFC.

If these reports are true, we're not talking about deduction of a few points, we're talking about expulsion from the Premier League, huge fines and personal sanctions. The question is whether the FA and Premier League have the bottle to do it. I feel they will have no choice. The press know, even the Parliamentary sub-committee on culture and sport know about it (and demanded an official enquiry). It wont go away much as Liverpool want it too. And I don't see how it can be buried. If it is, then the FA will themselves come under scrutiny.