Liverpool thread 2019/20

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It was only 10 points after playing more games

You sound like the BBC who speak of leads opening and closing on an hourly basis depending on kick off times
10 point lead over spurs with same games played at one point and you lot always played before us, strange how the fixtures panned out.
If you hadn't come for a Draw at ours you'd have been 10 in front of us.
Still say you lot will wobble This year coz the media and your fans are saying its a done deal and it's only January.
Let's not get ahead of yourselves hey boys.
 
I think even he is wavering a bit this season. He kept it under wraps last season when the title race was so close, he knew it could go either way and didn’t want egg on his face. This year when it’s in the bag, his true colours are starting to show through. After Villa last week it was “City can do that to any team in football, apart from one or two sides”. Yesterday it was “Liverpool have been the most consistent team in the past two years”. There’s definitely a change in his attitude, subtle as it is.

That last statement is probably true. Liverpool have most definitely been the most consistent over the past 18 months.
 
What's happening this season is a combination of Liverpool having a very strong team with almost everything going their way, that is, with being quite lucky.

First, the state of the big clubs apart from City: the average place of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs is 7th - almost certainly the worst in the last 30 years or so. The collective ineptitude of the traditional PL forces is staggering this season.

Second, Liverpool have been double lucky wrt injuries: no serious injuries to key players plus bad injuries to players of the other good teams. City have been very unlucky with bad injuries to Laporte and Sane, Stones and Zinchenko have been out for over 2 months, Rodri, Aguero, Kevin, Jesus...have missed games through injury. Manure have been without Pogba for 4 months, Rashford is injured now too. Kane is out for 3 months, Rudiger missed months for Chelsea, he's their best defender, etc.

Third, Liverpool have benefited more from refereeing decisions and mistakes, no matter whether the latter were intentional or not. City didn't have a single favourable decision in the entire first half of the season. Only after we were 14 pts off Liverpool we got 1-2 such decisions. Prior to that almost all 50/50 situations were decided against City.

Fourth, xG models show Liverpool have been luckier than the other teams. They have outperformed their xG by 17 pts in the first 22 games, which is probably unseen in any league so far. In terms of the ratio between created and conceded chances, City have outperformed Liverpool despite playing with a makeshift defence almost the entire season. Liverpool have conceded 6 goals less than expected which is down not only to incredible saves but mostly to opposition players failing to convert big chances. Think of Son and Martial the last two games Liverpool played.

Very strong team with incredible levels of luck this season.

What the xG shows is that Pep has outperformed Klopp despite the injury crisis. How come? Well, the job of the manager is to prepare his team to dominate in terms of created vs conceded chances. If you create more chances than you concede and fail to win, then individual players haven't done their job. Or you have been just unlucky.
 
What's happening this season is a combination of Liverpool having a very strong team with almost everything going their way, that is, with being quite lucky.

First, the state of the big clubs apart from City: the average place of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs is 7th - almost certainly the worst in the last 30 years or so. The collective ineptitude of the traditional PL forces is staggering this season.

Second, Liverpool have been double lucky wrt injuries: no serious injuries to key players plus bad injuries to players of the other good teams. City have been very unlucky with bad injuries to Laporte and Sane, Stones and Zinchenko have been out for over 2 months, Rodri, Aguero, Kevin, Jesus...have missed games through injury. Manure have been without Pogba for 4 months, Rashford is injured now too. Kane is out for 3 months, Rudiger missed months for Chelsea, he's their best defender, etc.

Third, Liverpool have benefited more from refereeing decisions and mistakes, no matter whether the latter were intentional or not. City didn't have a single favourable decision in the entire first half of the season. Only after we were 14 pts off Liverpool we got 1-2 such decisions. Prior to that almost all 50/50 situations were decided against City.

Fourth, xG models show Liverpool have been luckier than the other teams. They have outperformed their xG by 17 pts in the first 22 games, which is probably unseen in any league so far. In terms of the ratio between created and conceded chances, City have outperformed Liverpool despite playing with a makeshift defence almost the entire season. Liverpool have conceded 6 goals less than expected which is down not only to incredible saves but mostly to opposition players failing to convert big chances. Think of Son and Martial the last two games Liverpool played.

Very strong team with incredible levels of luck this season.

What the xG shows is that Pep has outperformed Klopp despite the injury crisis. How come? Well, the job of the manager is to prepare his team to dominate in terms of created vs conceded chances. If you create more chances than you concede and fail to win, then individual players haven't done their job. Or you have been just unlucky.

So they're this year's Leicester?!

I do agree with your last line. The main difference is that Liverpool have been far more clinical in attack, and a lot more clean sheets in defence. There have been some 'interesting' ref decisions, but they'd have still been a few clear without them.
 
So they're this year's Leicester?!

The main difference is that Liverpool have been far more clinical in attack, and a lot more clean sheets in defence.

Which is partly related to another important difference: no significant injuries to their most important players. Take VVD out for 6 months and have Laporte fit for City in that period and all the analyses about Klopp and tactics change completely. Klopp has done a great job for them, no argument about that, but you need your best players and he has been quite lucky in this respect.
 
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Their defining moment will probably be winning it at The Etihad. That’s all the media will need to create drama from it. Dethroning the champions at the home of the champions.

If the Blades win today, Liverpool would have to do something they haven’t yet done this season (lose) to make that game at the Etihad continue to be relevant. After the trip to Wolves on Thursday, the fixture list gets a lot easier for the next two months, which is surely another part of the Worldwide Scouse Conspiracy so many here seem to buy into.

It’s a distinct possibility we’ll be celebrating winning the league properly, at Anfield, after beating Palace two weeks before playing at City. If all of this were to come off, Klopp could very well choose to run out the kids against you lot, particularly if the Quadruple is still on by then.
 
What's happening this season is a combination of Liverpool having a very strong team with almost everything going their way, that is, with being quite lucky.

First, the state of the big clubs apart from City: the average place of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs is 7th - almost certainly the worst in the last 30 years or so. The collective ineptitude of the traditional PL forces is staggering this season.

Second, Liverpool have been double lucky wrt injuries: no serious injuries to key players plus bad injuries to players of the other good teams. City have been very unlucky with bad injuries to Laporte and Sane, Stones and Zinchenko have been out for over 2 months, Rodri, Aguero, Kevin, Jesus...have missed games through injury. Manure have been without Pogba for 4 months, Rashford is injured now too. Kane is out for 3 months, Rudiger missed months for Chelsea, he's their best defender, etc.

Third, Liverpool have benefited more from refereeing decisions and mistakes, no matter whether the latter were intentional or not. City didn't have a single favourable decision in the entire first half of the season. Only after we were 14 pts off Liverpool we got 1-2 such decisions. Prior to that almost all 50/50 situations were decided against City.

Fourth, xG models show Liverpool have been luckier than the other teams. They have outperformed their xG by 17 pts in the first 22 games, which is probably unseen in any league so far. In terms of the ratio between created and conceded chances, City have outperformed Liverpool despite playing with a makeshift defence almost the entire season. Liverpool have conceded 6 goals less than expected which is down not only to incredible saves but mostly to opposition players failing to convert big chances. Think of Son and Martial the last two games Liverpool played.

Very strong team with incredible levels of luck this season.

What the xG shows is that Pep has outperformed Klopp despite the injury crisis. How come? Well, the job of the manager is to prepare his team to dominate in terms of created vs conceded chances. If you create more chances than you concede and fail to win, then individual players haven't done their job. Or you have been just unlucky.

Where is the xG column in the table, mate?
 
That last statement is probably true. Liverpool have most definitely been the most consistent over the past 18 months.

Last season we were more consistent than them in the league, because we won it. We were more consistent than them in the League Cup, because we won it. We were more consistent than them in the FA Cup, because we won it. Nobody in the history of English football has had a more consistent domestic season that us last year.

These Liverpool pundits love picking and choosing random time-frames to drive home their point but if they are going to do it, at least make sure it is correct.
 
Which is partly related to another important difference: no significant injuries to their most important players. Take VVD out for 6 months and have Laporte fit for City in that period and all the analyses about Klopp and tactics change completely. Klopp has done a great job for them, no argument about that, but you need your best players and he has been quite lucky in this respect.

Yes, absolutely agree with that.
 
If the Blades win today, Liverpool would have to do something they haven’t yet done this season (lose) to make that game at the Etihad continue to be relevant. After the trip to Wolves on Thursday, the fixture list gets a lot easier for the next two months, which is surely another part of the Worldwide Scouse Conspiracy so many here seem to buy into.

It’s a distinct possibility we’ll be celebrating winning the league properly, at Anfield, after beating Palace two weeks before playing at City. If all of this were to come off, Klopp could very well choose to run out the kids against you lot, particularly if the Quadruple is still on by then.
Hope he did put that shower of shite out that Everton rolled over for. We’d give them PTSD. Are you another proper Liverpool fan arrogant as hell never been to Anfield?
 
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