UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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Would you prefer that we left it up to our PR department to present our case to Delaney rather than let our eminent lawyers make our case to CAS?

No, in his case , there is no case to present to him and no need to convince him. His mind is made up from the beginning.

PR and lawyers i would assume by mutually exclusive anyway.
 
I'm not so sure in view of the IC's indecent haste to cut the investigation short so as to just squeeze in the 5 year self imposed UEFA moratorium on re-opening old cases. City could of course have submitted their evidence fairly late in an attempted filibuster manoeuvre to drag the investigation over the 5 year limit but who could blame them if they did?
You are conflating the IC and the AC's processes. Even if the IC failed to give any consideration to City's submissions, City had another opportunity to make submissions to the AC. The idea that both refused to consider any submissions made is just not right. In short, we will have to do much much better than that to prevail.
 
The problem you'll have by taking on Leterme is the AC chamber has given a more severe sanction that the one year the IC was said to recommend.

The problem with FFP is they are showing that over the years clubs deficits have shrinked thanks to that regulation. They can thus claim it is for the wider interests of the sport.

Regarding CAS, there was this judgement in 2018, i wonder why it didn't impact the systematic recourse to CAS for an appeal of an UEFA verdict:
https://www.rtbf.be/sport/football/...-arbitral-du-sport-sont-illegales?id=10007518

The Brussels Court of Appeal said in a ruling released on Friday that clauses in the statutes of FIFA, UEFA and the national football federations imposing recourse to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) are illegal. This judgment comes within the framework of the litigation opposing the RFC Seraing and Doyen Sports to FIFA and UEFA. Seraing club had been sanctioned by the international football federation for having concluded a TPO (Third Party Ownership) contract with Doyen Sports.


The Brussels Court of Appeal had ordered, last January, the reopening of the proceedings in the case opposing the RFC Seraing and the company Doyen Sports to FIFA, UEFA, the Belgian Football Union and FIFPro, the union world of football players. She wished to obtain additional information concerning the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) before ruling. The Court of Appeal had held that it was necessary to examine the legality of the CAS in the light of European law and the European Convention on Human Rights, namely the legality of the obligation for football clubs to use exclusively at the CAS. The court had said to question in particular the "general prohibition to address the ordinary courts" enacted by FIFA, in the context of disputes between a club and FIFA or UEFA.

After rehearing the parties on this precise point of the dispute, the court considered, in a long reasoned judgment communicated on Friday, that the clauses of the statutes of FIFA, UEFA and the national football federations imposing recourse to the CAS illegal. Thus, the court established that arbitration can only exist on the basis of a true consent of the parties, an arbitration clause can therefore only relate to "a determined legal relationship" according to the European Convention on arbitration of January 20, 1996. Arbitration cannot therefore relate, in general, to all disputes that may arise between federations and a club or a player. According to the Court of Appeal, the arbitration clauses of FIFA, UEFA and its members, and therefore the national football federations, violate this requirement of "determined legal relationship", which "relates to the law access to justice and respect for the will of the parties ", according to the European Court of Human Rights and the Charter of Human Rights of the European Union.
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"The Brussels Court of Appeal gave reasons for its decision in a particularly detailed and particularly detailed manner. This judgment owes nothing to chance. It declares the illegality of the imposition of arbitration set up by the sports federations. which goes far beyond football. This was done on the basis of texts which apply throughout Europe. And therefore, it would be perfectly normal for any other judge in Europe to make the same analysis. instant, this judgment will have a global effect and will impose on the sports federations a new questioning of their operating modes "explains on the microphone of the RTBF Maître Jean-Louis Dupont, famous lawyer at the origin of the judgment Bosman (1995) .

"The Bosman judgment had forced the sports federations to become aware of the existence of the rule of law, continues Mr. Dupont. This judgment and its consequences will no doubt force the federations to finally function genuinely within the Rule of law. "

While recalling that the CAS is financed by the international sports federations, the lawyer concludes not without irony: "When a small club like Seraing comes to the CAS to maintain that a regulation considered by FIFA as strategic is illegal, you can imagine the chances that are Seraing's. "
Sure I read an article the other day that said even though financial losses were down, debt had risen by about an equal amount
 
Are we to assume then that Woodward endorses a Two year ban and £ 25million fine. Could we ask him?
 
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bo Karlsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Nebojša Ivković (SRB)

The Italian Job

Indeed. Hand picked especially for the occasion. Italians have a track record for corruption.
 
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