UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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My personal opinion of our achievements will not be undermined. The opinion of others is already made up irrespective of guilt.
However we don’t know that anyone elses have been overlooked. There have been ffp fines and bans handed out beyond just to us, albeit ours is the strongest yet. But seemingly this is because of supposed lies and deception rather than actually failing ffp.
All I’m saying is we cannot in hindsight make a fuss about the rules after breaking them when we publically didnt in the past.
If we broke them we broke them
not sure I'm following that line of reasoning - our case is that we didn't break any rules.
 
It’s far to simplistic to say rules are rules, City agreed to the t&c to enter UEFA’s competition, to not do so would seriously damage City commercially effectively they had no option, and they tried their level best to adhere. UEFA though, changed the criteria to catch City out despite this, and for the greater good City agreed a “pinch” UEFA and the old guard weren’t satisfied with this and have gone after City again. So now City are contesting the t&c has they every right to do so, like any contract it can be challenged even though initially accepted as they had to accept or as I said be damaged commercially

Maybe someone needs to correct me if my understanding on this is wrong.

We have been accused of filtering owner money through false and inflated sponsorship deals. That is not (by accusation) trying our level best to adhere to the rules. It (if true) would be trying to cheat the rules.

You can argue on the fairness of the rules by all means but you can’t do so in hindsight.

Now if that isn’t true then brilliant, no rules broken, ban overturned and we are validated as a club. But until this happens there will always be question marks placed on us by rival teams. It is inevitable in competitive sport.

It is then for us to decide as fans whether that matters.

No one forced us to agree to ffp on competing in europe. Agreed it would have damaged us commercially and viably it wasnt an option not to. But we did and hence we should (and hopefully have) complied
 
But what if the speed sign was changed from 30 to 20 after you passed it and you reluctantly accepted a fine and points short of a driving ban. Several years later the police say somebody has sent them an email suggesting that someone else drive the car that day and you misled them about who was driving and will now be banned. They have no proof and you know you were the driver but they're going to ban you anyway

What if you had lied and you weren’t/were the driver when you said you was/wasnt, and an independent court decided you had lied.

I’m not saying we are guilty. I’m very hopeful we aren’t. We’re just placing a lot of faith in club executives that have not been involved with the club as long as we have.

If we are found guilty by cas we can not keep blindly saying that we are the only ones honest and telling the truth
 
And if that one says we’re guilty?

At what stage do we say actually maybe our execs havent been fully honest with us, or do we believe them indefinitely
Tbf most city fans will probably be inclined to believe the club's execs until such a time as there is a proper legal process that proves them wrong. I can understand how this may seem myopic to fans of other clubs...
 
Tbf most city fans will probably be inclined to believe the club's execs until such a time as there is a proper legal process that proves them wrong. I can understand how this may seem myopic to fans of other clubs...

That is my concern when reading this thread. I get the feeling an increasing number of us will only accept it to be a proper legal process if we are cleared. That may not necessarily be the case. In this scenario we need to be able to deal with it or it will define our club for years
 
What if you had lied and you weren’t/were the driver when you said you was/wasnt, and an independent court decided you had lied.

I’m not saying we are guilty. I’m very hopeful we aren’t. We’re just placing a lot of faith in club executives that have not been involved with the club as long as we have.

If we are found guilty by cas we can not keep blindly saying that we are the only ones honest and telling the truth
An independent court would have to have proof that we'd lied.
 
That is my concern when reading this thread. I get the feeling an increasing number of us will only accept it to be a proper legal process if we are cleared. That may not necessarily be the case. In this scenario we need to be able to deal with it or it will define our club for years
I'm sure we will deal with it. Even if the worst happens it's hardly like we'll be back to 1998, or even 2008. Worst it will do is press pause for a year or two.
 
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