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I have spoken at length about immunity,i do want to get it again so that has been of big interest to me and something I have argued about just assuming immunity have also been consistent that we needed time to figure a new virus out
I understand your concerns on that, but (and I've asked this before) is there a single report anywhere of someone proved to have had it, becoming infected again ? Given that over 8M people have had it (and probably many many more as these are confirmed cases ie tested), you'd think there would have been some somewhere.
 
In respect of a cover up on death numbers. Are we not the most transparent in the world?
While other countries are blatantly playing down their numbers, with some completely corrupting their figures.
Yes there has been some errors/delays in reporting.
What bothers me the most is this "If Covid is even suspected on death, they it goes down as a Covid death"
Also, if somebody dies regardless of cause but had tested positive that also goes on the numbers.
Take the biker death in Tameside a couple of months ago. Died from horrific injuries, but tested positive beforehand. Counted as a Covid death.

The higher than average annual deaths may be closer to the true figure, but even that is being effected by not getting proper medical care/medicine during the crisis. Plus the fact that those figures may have naturally spiked this year anyway. I've personally had five appointments to see a specialists cancelled in the last two months. Also, I'm still on medication i was supposed to be coming off because nobody can do the tests i need to make sure it's safe. The hospital system is in a mess at the moment. This is having a real effect on real people.
 
I equally worry when you started off saying this is just flu and haven't really shifted despite nearly 60,000 deaths

I have spoken at length about immunity,i do not want to get it again so that has been of big interest to me and something I have argued about just assuming immunity have also been consistent that we needed time to figure a new virus out

you have posted some random shit to make this less of a tbreat,u am sticking with proper science

Are you sure you had it? As you have said so many times the tests aren't 100% accurate and you were posting on here every 2 minutes when you had it. I know people that were ill with it and they couldn't even get out of bed to eat or wash let alone play on a computer all day.
 
I received a call off the NHS this week asking if Id be willing to donate a pint of blood so they could check to see if I had any antibodies. I needed to be covid clear for more than 28 days so they are ringing back next Friday to book an appointment, as at the time I was only 22 days clear.

A pint? That's nearly an arm full......


One for the kids there..
 
I understand your concerns on that, but (and I've asked this before) is there a single report anywhere of someone proved to have had it, becoming infected again ? Given that over 8M people have had it (and probably many many more as these are confirmed cases ie tested), you'd think there would have been some somewhere.
There are reports of people testing positive twice in China and surrounding areas but then the whole testing thing has ifty i have also read scientists say that they think if you get it again it is likely not to be as bad,you may not even be ill enough to get tested again

There has been a very limited trial in China i think,something like thirty patients that concluded that after having covid you shed the virus way past being infectious and it was that causing the second positive

We know a lot of our tests in this country are repeats but the gov has stopped giving us the number of patients that is and in what circumstances the second or more was done

Bottom line is the world's experts all assumed immunity at the beginning based on other coronaviruses,it soon changed to this is not behaving how we expected and even now none of them will tell any individual person they have immunity

We are still at the start data/trials wise,there is an awful lot yet to be discovered

The CDC is looking into it

According to the alert, reports from China and South Korea have described instances of re-infection from people who have previously recovered from COVID-19 with or without symptoms. It is not known yet the extent of that happening in the United States

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...-possible-reinfection-of-covid-19/ar-BB153anF

The WHO is looking into it

The move is in response to a report from South Korea on Friday that 91 patients who had been cleared of COVID-19 and were being prepared for discharge tested positive again. Officials say that, rather than being reinfected, patients may be suffering from a “reactivated” coronavirus

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...f-coronavirus-patients-testing-positive-again
 
In respect of a cover up on death numbers. Are we not the most transparent in the world?
While other countries are blatantly playing down their numbers, with some completely corrupting their figures.
Yes there has been some errors/delays in reporting.
What bothers me the most is this "If Covid is even suspected on death, they it goes down as a Covid death"
Also, if somebody dies regardless of cause but had tested positive that also goes on the numbers.
Take the biker death in Tameside a couple of months ago. Died from horrific injuries, but tested positive beforehand. Counted as a Covid death.

The higher than average annual deaths may be closer to the true figure, but even that is being effected by not getting proper medical care/medicine during the crisis. Plus the fact that those figures may have naturally spiked this year anyway. I've personally had five appointments to see a specialists cancelled in the last two months. Also, I'm still on medication i was supposed to be coming off because nobody can do the tests i need to make sure it's safe. The hospital system is in a mess at the moment. This is having a real effect on real people.
It has been a really mild winter so I am guessing and only guessing that flu numbers will be less than normal and so be less of those recorded excess deaths,all of this will take a bit longer to work out,it will be a long time before those who died with cancer or other illnesses are worked out and added to the numbers

Because so many were told to stay at home and ride it out we will never know the true number who had covid

Anyone testing positive or suspected has to be counted on the figures because a pandemic is a public health emergency and so we have to have every single case recorded,that is the most important thing for now,they may get separated out to those in whom it caused death and how many just had it later on ,for now it is all about getting the covid data as that governs the response to it

Give your doctor a call and tell them your concern,the nhs is open and I am sure something can be sorted out
 
Are you sure you had it? As you have said so many times the tests aren't 100% accurate and you were posting on here every 2 minutes when you had it. I know people that were ill with it and they couldn't even get out of bed to eat or wash let alone play on a computer all day.
Am I sure I had it lol,i can assure you I did,two trips for emergency treatment and a positive test ,as for being on here,try having a bad bout of a virus that you know is killing people totally on your own with no support from anyone,rather talk and provide people with where to get help and what to expect ,than panic

Have you got anything to say that is not a personal attack ? or is it ok because it is just flu
 
There are reports of people testing positive twice in China and surrounding areas but then the whole testing thing has ifty i have also read scientists say that they think if you get it again it is likely not to be as bad,you may not even be ill enough to get tested again

There has been a very limited trial in China i think,something like thirty patients that concluded that after having covid you shed the virus way past being infectious and it was that causing the second positive

We know a lot of our tests in this country are repeats but the gov has stopped giving us the number of patients that is and in what circumstances the second or more was done

Bottom line is the world's experts all assumed immunity at the beginning based on other coronaviruses,it soon changed to this is not behaving how we expected and even now none of them will tell any individual person they have immunity

We are still at the start data/trials wise,there is an awful lot yet to be discovered

The CDC is looking into it

According to the alert, reports from China and South Korea have described instances of re-infection from people who have previously recovered from COVID-19 with or without symptoms. It is not known yet the extent of that happening in the United States

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...-possible-reinfection-of-covid-19/ar-BB153anF

The WHO is looking into it

The move is in response to a report from South Korea on Friday that 91 patients who had been cleared of COVID-19 and were being prepared for discharge tested positive again. Officials say that, rather than being reinfected, patients may be suffering from a “reactivated” coronavirus

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...f-coronavirus-patients-testing-positive-again
So basically no concrete proof of people being reinfected, yet ? Just "investigating".

If there were serious reinfections it would be BIG news, it might yet become big news, but with so many positive tests to look at across the world, it would be known, and be BIG news.
 
I have been saying this all along,it is a new virus and not behaving the same as other coronaviruses ,nobody except some charlatans testing privately would tell you you have immunity,no credible scientist would tell a individual patient in a clinical setting that they have immunity

But I was told I was scared mongering ...as I have had it and needed to understand if I can get it again i cautioned against assuming immunity,that was the only sensible thing to do when we don't have the data over months and years with this virus
Though it's not great that antibodies seem to disappear from the body fairly quickly it is only a small part of the story.
Long term immunity depends on whether T cell and B cell lymphocytes that can target the virus can be produced by the bone marrow or thymus by memory T and B cell lymphocytes having been saved there.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320182585_Difference_Between_T_Cells_and_B_Cells#:~:text=B cells produce and secrete,antigens of bacteria and viruses.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-...-could-still-have-had-covid-fighting-t-cells/
For example, Memory B-cell and T-cells from the original SARS protected some people against SARS2.
 
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