COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Ban-jani]

Because our public services are not sufficient to deal with a lockdown, patients removed from hospitals and treatments put off so the main hospitals could deal with covid.

All along the nightingale hospitals with non specialist medical staff sat empty, a health secretary with a brain would have utilized them for non covid care once it was clear they were not needed.

Lockdown didn't kill them a failiure of common sense and governance did.

Yes it did.

People didn’t go in for checks out of fear, that contributed massively.

 

[Ban-jani]

Spot on. The anti-lockdown people all operate around the presumption that behaviours would have been different. They wouldn't.

Locking people up has without doubt contributed to deaths, I really cannot fathom why some won’t admit it.

16,000 for every 25,000 that died of Covid is a huge number that cannot be magicked away.

 

[Ban-jani]

But even if there was no lockdown, while the virus was still around those 6,000 people who were too "scared" to go to hospitals/surgeries would still stay away and die while even more would die of the virus.

It’s 16,000 for every 25,000 that died of Covid.

It’s not about being scared, although putting off medical assistance did definitely contribute, I don’t like the tone of your post though, these are people that have died don’t forget.

It’s regular checks being missed that would have spotted urgent issues. When you’re told you cannot leave your house for risk of the virus, you’re not going to go in for routine checks.

 

[True_Blue69]

But even if there was no lockdown, while the virus was still around those 6,000 people who were too "scared" to go to hospitals/surgeries would still stay away and die while even more would die of the virus.

Only because we have been repeatedly told how deadly this is. There have been comparable seasonal viruses that have killed a similar amount that would barely be mentioned. We've been convinced that a killer virus is going to wipe us all out to the point grandkids cant hug their grandparents. Of course that is going to make people hide away in their houses. Even when this has gone people will be mentally scarred to the point they will never be the same again.

 

[urban genie]

Yes it did.

People didn’t go in for checks out of fear, that contributed massively.

So you set aside clinics or field hospitals that don't have covid patients sent to, like the empty nightingales, then arrange people to be picked up and dropped off from home for minimal contact.

It ain't hard


Italy struggled in the same way at first but got their shit together eventually and we were weeks behind but learnt bothing or if we did ignore it.


Many deaths could have been avoided from both covid sufferers and other duing lockdown.

But lock down was right and if we have another need for one then I will support it.

 

[Ban-jani]

So you set aside clinics or field hispitals that don't have covid patients sent to, like tge empty nightingales, then arrange people to be picked up and dripped off from hime for minimal contact.

It ain't hard

It’s hard to predict when something is going to be empty or not, we couldn’t have done that in the height of lockdown when 900+ souls were dying each day.

I think we can now but practices have gone back to normal.

I think you’re looking at it from a black and white perspective, when in the chaos, it’s not that easy.

 

[urban genie]

It’s hard to predict when something is going to be empty or not, we couldn’t have done that in the height of lockdown when 900+ souls were dying each day.

I think we can now but practices have gone back to normal.

I think you’re looking at it from a black and white perspective, when in the chaos, it’s not that easy.

Tell that to the nations that coped better that are apparently less developed than us.

 

[Ban-jani]

Tell that to the nations that coped better that are apparently less developed than us.

Do you want to name one specifically?

 

[urban genie]

Do you want to name one specifically?

Senegal.


In fact up to now the majority of African nations have handled the pandemic better than the 1st world nations, add that to state in India like Kelari and SEA nations that have had lower rates and managed to recover quicker, I would say many can be named

 

[Ban-jani]

Senegal.


In fact up to now the majority of African nations have handled the pandemic better than the 1st world nations, add that to state in India like Kelari and SEA nations that have had lower rates and managed to recover quicker, I would say many can be named

So completely different population centres, cultures and numbers who travel to these destinations... comparing Senegal to the UK is crackers.. did they even have a lockdown?

India itself is in a pretty bad spot, you could argue certain ares in the UK have done well but overall they haven’t.

I don’t want to divert away from what my point is here - that the lockdown itself has contributed to a significant number of deaths and that we need to learn from it.