COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Interesting paradox we're in right now: testing healthy people then calling them ill, whilst ignoring and refusing to treat those who are genuinely sick.
27,630,000 lost GP appointments since March 2020.
350,000 lost cancer referrals.
62,000 lost urgent cancer referrals.
12,000 lost secondary cancer treatment appointments.
Millions of lost cancer screening appointments.
Cardiac appointments down by 50%.
It is only going to get worse.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Interesting paradox we're in right now: testing healthy people then calling them ill, whilst ignoring and refusing to treat those who are genuinely sick.
27,630,000 lost GP appointments since March 2020.
350,000 lost cancer referrals.
62,000 lost urgent cancer referrals.
12,000 lost secondary cancer treatment appointments.
Millions of lost cancer screening appointments.
Cardiac appointments down by 50%.
It is only going to get worse.

If we knew who had the virus already, people wouldn’t need to be tested. You can make your point mate without trying to deter people from getting tested.

 

[cleavers]

Looking like we might be going back to Level 4 lockdown (the second highest stage) over here tomorrow. Which means no going to work;

This will be the second one this year; we previously had it from late march to the second week of June.

I wish we had regulations that clear, instead of do what ever you think the rules say you can do (or not) if you understand them.

Not good to be going to the second worst, but at least it's clear what you can/can't do, nobody here really has a clear idea, different rules from one garden to another in places.

 

[inbetween]

45,859 (91.1%) of deaths involving COVID-19 up to the end of June in England and Wales had at least one pre-existing health condition. We also know the average age of death since the pandemic began is 82.4: https://cebm.ox.ac.uk/news/cebm-in-the-news

People of any age can become ill with COVID, and there’s evidence that even mild sufferers can experience long-term symptoms and I don’t wish to downplay it. But this is clearly a disease that disproportionately affects the elderly and in particular those suffering very ill health.
Christian Duncan, director of Surgery at Alder Hey children’s hospital said this today.
“Liverpool is using 80% of its icu capacity, not 95% and it’s below par for this time of year”.
This graph also gives a small clue as to where we are at.

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What this graph doesn't tell you is the locality of the numbers.

If we could spread all of the cases over the whole country then we'd be absolutely fine but that's not how it works and it never has.

If we had 50,000 cases in Manchester alone then that would bring the NHS locally to its knees, that's approaching what will happen at current rates.

This is the first wave for the north, not the second.

 

[grunge]

Interesting paradox we're in right now: testing healthy people then calling them ill, whilst ignoring and refusing to treat those who are genuinely sick.
27,630,000 lost GP appointments since March 2020.
350,000 lost cancer referrals.
62,000 lost urgent cancer referrals.
12,000 lost secondary cancer treatment appointments.
Millions of lost cancer screening appointments.
Cardiac appointments down by 50%.
It is only going to get worse.

Where are you getting those stats from? Googling is showing nothing.

 

[grunge]

Not directly related to Covid19 but....

Speaking to my neighbour today and he told me about his brother who died.

He went to hospital on Tuesday last week with a bleeding nose that he couldn't stop. He was admitted and on Friday he passed away.

His wife phoned the hospital on Saturday to be told.... and this is the gods honest...

Death certificate was issued, he was processed boxed up (his words) sent to the crematorium and cremated - his wife knew nothing about it until she phoned in the Saturday.

They live in an area that is not suffering massively with Covid at the moment..... unbelievable.

And no, we don't know what was put on the certificate!

This sounds very wrong. It’s different per trust but even homeless get put in a morgue for a bit in the hope a body is claimed before the NHS pays for a cremation.

If this is genuine they need to be lawyering up.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Old data , you find good figures anywhere but they have to be relevant

Here comes queen doom monger

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Where are you getting those stats from? Googling is showing nothing.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ointments-England-lost-Covid-19-pandemic.html

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

What this graph doesn't tell you is the locality of the numbers.

If we could spread all of the cases over the whole country then we'd be absolutely fine but that's not how it works and it never has.

If we had 50,000 cases in Manchester alone then that would bring the NHS locally to its knees, that's approaching what will happen at current rates.

This is the first wave for the north, not the second.

It’s another big advantage of a national health service. Patients would be moved about, just like they always are in winter and other occasions when areas get full.

 

[Craig]

Burnham is a twat. Playing politics rather than getting to grips with the situation.

Not a big fan of his in general but I think he’s spoke really well so far during this.