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It’s a depressing read on this thread at times, me and my Maud have behaved pretty much as we have been told to do since the start, she’s still working from home and I am lucky enough to visit customers although the extremes of measures put in place make me laugh, one place will have you masked and gloved up another not giving a fuck a part from obligatory Covid health questionnaire. Some places make me wear a mask and don’t themselves which shows a complete lack of respect.

Now the issue for us is the wife wants to see her sister in Dieppe and has not seen her for two years almost, we are prepared to have a test before and do the quarantine on return now we hear that Police are pulling up and refusing travel at the tunnel, this where we feel our civil liberties are being eroded to the point where we are seriously questioning whether anything is worth a fuck anymore.

And it’s not about Christmas dinner just two sisters wanting to see each other.
 
They are an individual choice, businesses have decided to follow the guidance and so if you choose not to, you simply can't enter their place of business. The same way you wouldn't be allowed in waving a sword around.

There are plenty of alternative options to get what you need in terms of basic survival. Anything else you're not entitled to.
Apologies , here in Victoria they are mandatory and have been for many months now and if you are stopped by a police officer and you don't have a medical certificate on you at the time you incur a fine.

I noticed that the Governor of California recommended that the only time you should not be wearing one is when you are eating and you should place it back on fitted properly while chewing and he was serious.

He has no idea of what damage that can do to many with specific health issues relating to breathing issues such as ODS sufferers and it is that illogical and non sensical it must qualify for the Stupid things people say and do thread on this site.

Of course he was filmed in a Non Covid-19 safe dinner party with his wife where no one was wearing a mask.

Do as I say don't do what I do and to think California is the reason pending Electoral Fraud in 3 States and a swing of 67000 votes is the reason a person who won't be able to remember his own name let alone the name of anybody else will be head of State come Jan 20 2021.
 
The study seems fine to me.

The reporting in the right wing press, not so much.
The actual people writing in the Spectator are Prof Heneghan & Tom Jefferson of the Centre for Evidence based Medicine in Oxford. I actually do worry about their objectivity as Evidence based medicine advocates over Covid . A better summary of the study is that the evidence remains inconclusive as the actual event rate was low which is whatpretty much any objective reading of that study would say. I have to say the CEBM appear to me to have acted as advocates rather than disspassionate observers of science throughout this.

PS The prime purpose of mask wearing was always stated as source control which is not addressed by this study.
 
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Just to clarify, I of course wouldn't wish anyone to die.

It was a badly written post by me.

But I stand by my amended post in which I said that if anyone was to die because of people selfishly gathering at Christmas, then I would rather it be one of those selfish individuals than anyone else.

I quite agree with you because to put it bluntly given where we are with both the current wave and the vaccines anyone taking a significant risk, which if they all go having family get togethers and going on piss ups they will be doing all because its bloody Xmas then you have to hope they suffer any consequences rather than so elderly or vulnerable person.

This whole fuss about Xmas is absolutely shocking this year, a clear illustration of how absolutely brain dead swathes of the population are. Its one fucking year and lives are at stake.
 
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The actual people writing in the Spectator are Prof Heneghan & Tom Jefferson of the Centre for Evidence based Medicine in Oxford. I actually do worry about their objectivity as Evidence based medicine advocates over Covid . A better summary of the study is that the evidence remains inconclusive as the actual event rate was low which is whatpretty much any objective reading of that study would say. I have to say the CEBM appear to me to have acted as advocates rather than disspassionate observers of science throughout this.

PS The prime purpose of mask wearing was always stated as source control which is not addressed by this study.

Heneghan generally has been remarkably wrong throughout.
 
The actual people writing in the Spectator are Prof Heneghan & Tom Jefferson of the Centre for Evicence based Medicine in Oxford. I actually do worry about their objectivity as Evidence based medicine advocates over Covid . A better summary of hte study is that the evidenc remains inconclusive as the actual event rate was low which is how pretty much any objective reading of that study would say. I have to say the CEBM appear to me to have acted as advocates rather than disspassionate observers of science throughout this,
Epi's and disease control specialists will disagree and have in fact all over the world on best practice and the nature of the virus.

i think protect the elderly and keep the virus out of nursing homes and socially distance and practice good health protocols is the best way to suppress transmission.

Lockdowns especially harsh ones that last more than 14 days are dangerous to the health and well being of the community at large and this has been known for centuries.

Being a Stat's man from my UNI days I and having some knowledge of Poissson Processes ( skewed to allow for non random transmission ) I would suggest at least 400 mill have contracted the disease to date ( allowing for poor recording in many countries including China which is as Dodgy as they come for political reasons ) and 4 million have died with or from the virus to date.

So high transmission spread with a higher than usual number of super spreaders than other Corona Virus's but fortunately for the human race not that lethal.

My estimate on the numbers of actual cases might be significantly lower than the true number because this virus might have a much higher Asymptomatic number than most if not all Covid's in the past few centuries.
 
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