City fan suffers broken leg after being attacked at Leeds game

WEMBLEY76 said:
I would also add the constant media hostility towards the club and team fuels other fans to do what they want and take liberties as it’s just become quite normal to call us cheats and the inflammatory message has now stuck because the club has sat back and allowed reputational damage to accrue.The almost 3 year enquiry into the 115 charges has normalised a lot of fans towards hatred of our club as cheats,on top of these ticketing double standards it’s heading towards a tragedy happening and the club just stand and watch,while counting the money coming in,well done City,you sold out by not looking after a working class fan base.I had a season ticket in 2015 when the south stand opened and had to give it up for personal reasons,previously worked as a steward for 10 years to help the club,rang the ticket office this week to enquire about season tickets for the new stand and was told the club will make an announcement when it’s ready,no waiting list,buy your membership,once you don’t meet the past buying policy you are forgotten,priced out of the revolution,local fans priced out yet there were loads of empty seats on tv at yesterday’s game and will be on Saturday vs Sunderland,the club is alienating its core fans and these same fans have to listen to crap from other fans on media and in person because the cartel ain’t happy,what an absolute mess,who would think supporting an extremely successful club could be so polarising,want to watch it in person ? Show us your money and follow the prohibitive new rules on ticket exchange,attendance etc,don’t answer back and watch the ground fill up with tourists who are more valuable as they spend more.It feels like it’s not my club anymore.
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I totally agree that the media poison has caused opposition fans to think we're fair game.
 
.db. said:
From about the closest 50 friends and family I know in Manchester, most of them are football fans of either City or United, and about 41 of them don’t go to the Etihad or Old Trafford.

It feels like the culture of going to the game has changed massively in this city, almost disappeared.

I know 6 City ST holders and 3 United ST holders out of around 50 of my closest f&fs. Two decades ago, of that group, more than half of that 50 of us were ST holders at City. Many were die-hard home+away, when we were shit, Blues.

For both the 2011 FA Cup semi and final, we filled a coach with just mates without having to advertise it anywhere. We even had to let some know we were full and they’d have to find another way down, such was the demand.

In recent years, there have been semis where I’ve gone down on my own on National Express because nobody else I knew was going. There have been finals where we’ve not been able to book a minibus because we couldn’t get the numbers and a handful of us have been able to go in one car.

This is probably similar for many groups of friends+family across Manchester. We have become a conurbation of arcmchair supporters, with most football fans in this city watching at home because going to the ground isn’t on the cards for people.

How has this been allowed to happen? How can the club have done this to our support?

We were known as the most loyal supporters in the country. Anywhere you went, up and down the country, holidays abroad, as soon as we said we were City fans we got immediate respect because of the way we were viewed as a set of fans. Now we are ridiculed for being shit fans, it’s almost embarrassing to admit you’re a City fan due to the lack of respect we have as a fanbase these days.

Our fanbase should have been sacrosanct to the club, it should have been the #1 thing the club should have looked after and cherished because it was a bigger asset to the club than anything else.

Mansour’s early doors Mission Statement to fans made me feel like we wouldn’t go down the United route of having a fanbase with no identity, just a worldwide bunch of nobodies. I thought that we were going to keep our identity and we’d be looked after.

A few things Mansour said (if it was really him who wrote it and not just some publicist):

‘My request to [Al Mubarak] has been to put together a board and executive team that is worthy of the heritage and potential of Manchester City’.

‘…we will absolutely spend time listening to you the fans about what you think about the future of the club. We are very aware that without you there would not be a club to buy, and your voice will be heard by the organisation at the highest level’.

‘We are aware also that the club has a significant role in the community going back years. As newcomers, we don’t pretend to understand all of this yet, but we will make sincere efforts to back these initiatives and ensure that Manchester City loses none of its role in Manchester beyond football and we want the club to continue to contribute to the community it represents’.

‘I am a football fan, and I hope that you will soon see that I am now also a Manchester City fan. But I am also a long-term investor and that is probably more important to the club and to you because it means we are here for the long haul and that we will act always in the best interests of the club and all of its stakeholders, but especially you the fans’.

Ha!

You’re having a fucking laugh, pretty much none of that has happened!

The latchers-on to City’s success were inevitable, of course. However, the total lack of remembering the ‘heritage’ of City, spending time listening to fans, being aware that without us there’d be no club, being active in all parts of our conurbation, having ticketing initiatives for local fans to enhance the importance of Manchester and Mancunians… was not inevitable. It was the opposite of what the Mission Statement said.

Entering the European Super League, releasing statements by Joel Glazer, not saying anything to back up City fans after Istanbul (not even to the fans, never mind UEFA), and, of course, pricing out fans whether by constantly putting season ticket prices up or having unrealistic matchticket prices for a predominantly working class Manchester fanbase… is not showing that they will act ‘always in the best interests of…especially you the fans’.

They haven’t done anything differently than United. We’ve just become ‘Man U’ in Blue. United’s match going fanbase of a load of latchers-on while the locals are priced out and forgotten about but with sky blue branding.

The German clubs have highlighted that the way Premier League clubs operate is not needed. Bayern have recently smashed their record revenue figures, and they didn’t do it by pricing out their core support and making their worldwide fanbase a priority.

Even Liverpool have ticketing initiatives for people with an ‘L’ post code and their child Premier League matchday tickets are £9 in all stands other than the new Anfield Road tier.

Mansour’s words there have been proven to mean absolutely fuck all. Mancunian City fans are not important to this club. The Manchester name means nothing anymore. We might as well be called Moon City FC and play our games around the world like Forumla 1 takes each race around the world.

They’ve run this club with only the interests of creating a faceless passionless worldwide fanbase. You see it with the trophy tours they put on whenever we win anything; these trophies are never seen in Wythenshawe, Altrincham, Stockport… if we’re lucky we’ve had one afternoon with them in the city centre store before they go on trips around the world for months on end. I’ve not seen a City presence in Wythenshawe in any way shape or form for fucking ages! You wouldn’t know City existed in Wythenshawe if you didn’t have a smartphone, tablet or laptop… and I bet that’s the case for many areas around our conurbation.

This strive for worldwide fans has lead to what’s going on in the stands and incidents like this yesterday. The constant increasing of ticket tout partners and number of tickets around the stadium where any Tom, Dick or Harry can purchase tickets in the City home ends (despite City’s own Ts&Cs stating that away fans cannot purchase tickets in the home stands… I know this because I’ve read them to the club over the phone when complaining about away fans in the home stands!) whether they’re City fans, daytrippers, neutrals or rabid supporters of the away team have seen many incidents flare up over recent years: Arsenal fans getting a pasting the other year because they goaded Blues in our own seats when Califiori scored, our biggest rivals United and Liverpool fans openly supporting their team even wearing colours without a care in the world, Liverpool fan getting a twatted in the South Stand last season…

A City fan got a pasting yesterday, but I’m telling you now something serious is going to happen soon. Someone is going to get seriously hurt in our ground, or worse! All the ingredients are there and all it takes is a bad fall after a scuffle and someone has permanent damage or could die. And it is all on the club and their ticketing initiatives. There are far too many away fans buying tickets in the home stands and hospitality sections. There should be none! as per their own Ts&Cs. The club will blame fans, ban fans, even out out a statement condemning fans’ behaviour… but it’ll be their fault!

And all this will just alienate even more proper core Blues who will get to a point of having enough of it all and will stop going to games.
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Tim of the Oak said:
Thanks Damocles. Yes I changed my post because it was unfair on Danny Wilson, whose done good things for some Blues. I might have said Soriano if I thought he read this forum.

I’ve also changed what I wrote a bit because the part of proceedings that most annoyed me was hearing the Leeds fans were asked to leave the stand only to pitch up in 93:20. My reference to “stabbed in the back” was about that but it was unclear.

I would like as many Blues as possible to be there to cheer the lads on against Galatassary. The more seats we fill, the fewer the number of away fans there will and yes there will still be plenty in hospitality etc.

For info, the Blue has a broken tibia, below his knee.
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That’s where you usually find your tibia.
 
Winchester said:
They are SCUM
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Leeds fans have and always will be proper scumbags. Got banned from Elland Rd 40 years ago. Coming back from game top deck just back to station when one of those pricks threw a brick through window where 2 city girls were and some of us retaliated by throwing seats down on top of the rats. Not me just all of us on top deck got arrested until those who owned up. Didn't get out til 3am! Not been back since funnily enough
 
pride in battle said:
Ungrateful **** fuck off & support someone else then !
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Deluded sycophant. You're exactly the sort of mug that Khaldoon and Co want around... gullible glory loving arse lickers. You've become as pathetic as the thousands of football tourists sitting around you every week.

The hierarchy at City have been disrespecting longstanding supporters for years. They're only interested in profit, regardless of the impact on traditional fans.

They've never been 'in touch' with local fans, because they don't give a shit about the local fans. They're living on a different planet to traditional supporters.

They're modern day snake oil salesmen. The sooner you wake up and realise that, the better.
 
.db. said:
From about the closest 50 friends and family I know in Manchester, most of them are football fans of either City or United, and about 41 of them don’t go to the Etihad or Old Trafford.

It feels like the culture of going to the game has changed massively in this city, almost disappeared.

I know 6 City ST holders and 3 United ST holders out of around 50 of my closest f&fs. Two decades ago, of that group, more than half of that 50 of us were ST holders at City. Many were die-hard home+away, when we were shit, Blues.

For both the 2011 FA Cup semi and final, we filled a coach with just mates without having to advertise it anywhere. We even had to let some know we were full and they’d have to find another way down, such was the demand.

In recent years, there have been semis where I’ve gone down on my own on National Express because nobody else I knew was going. There have been finals where we’ve not been able to book a minibus because we couldn’t get the numbers and a handful of us have been able to go in one car.

This is probably similar for many groups of friends+family across Manchester. We have become a conurbation of arcmchair supporters, with most football fans in this city watching at home because going to the ground isn’t on the cards for people.

How has this been allowed to happen? How can the club have done this to our support?

We were known as the most loyal supporters in the country. Anywhere you went, up and down the country, holidays abroad, as soon as we said we were City fans we got immediate respect because of the way we were viewed as a set of fans. Now we are ridiculed for being shit fans, it’s almost embarrassing to admit you’re a City fan due to the lack of respect we have as a fanbase these days.

Our fanbase should have been sacrosanct to the club, it should have been the #1 thing the club should have looked after and cherished because it was a bigger asset to the club than anything else.

Mansour’s early doors Mission Statement to fans made me feel like we wouldn’t go down the United route of having a fanbase with no identity, just a worldwide bunch of nobodies. I thought that we were going to keep our identity and we’d be looked after.

A few things Mansour said (if it was really him who wrote it and not just some publicist):

‘My request to [Al Mubarak] has been to put together a board and executive team that is worthy of the heritage and potential of Manchester City’.

‘…we will absolutely spend time listening to you the fans about what you think about the future of the club. We are very aware that without you there would not be a club to buy, and your voice will be heard by the organisation at the highest level’.

‘We are aware also that the club has a significant role in the community going back years. As newcomers, we don’t pretend to understand all of this yet, but we will make sincere efforts to back these initiatives and ensure that Manchester City loses none of its role in Manchester beyond football and we want the club to continue to contribute to the community it represents’.

‘I am a football fan, and I hope that you will soon see that I am now also a Manchester City fan. But I am also a long-term investor and that is probably more important to the club and to you because it means we are here for the long haul and that we will act always in the best interests of the club and all of its stakeholders, but especially you the fans’.

Ha!

You’re having a fucking laugh, pretty much none of that has happened!

The latchers-on to City’s success were inevitable, of course. However, the total lack of remembering the ‘heritage’ of City, spending time listening to fans, being aware that without us there’d be no club, being active in all parts of our conurbation, having ticketing initiatives for local fans to enhance the importance of Manchester and Mancunians… was not inevitable. It was the opposite of what the Mission Statement said.

Entering the European Super League, releasing statements by Joel Glazer, not saying anything to back up City fans after Istanbul (not even to the fans, never mind UEFA), and, of course, pricing out fans whether by constantly putting season ticket prices up or having unrealistic matchticket prices for a predominantly working class Manchester fanbase… is not showing that they will act ‘always in the best interests of…especially you the fans’.

They haven’t done anything differently than United. We’ve just become ‘Man U’ in Blue. United’s match going fanbase of a load of latchers-on while the locals are priced out and forgotten about but with sky blue branding.

The German clubs have highlighted that the way Premier League clubs operate is not needed. Bayern have recently smashed their record revenue figures, and they didn’t do it by pricing out their core support and making their worldwide fanbase a priority.

Even Liverpool have ticketing initiatives for people with an ‘L’ post code and their child Premier League matchday tickets are £9 in all stands other than the new Anfield Road tier.

Mansour’s words there have been proven to mean absolutely fuck all. Mancunian City fans are not important to this club. The Manchester name means nothing anymore. We might as well be called Moon City FC and play our games around the world like Forumla 1 takes each race around the world.

They’ve run this club with only the interests of creating a faceless passionless worldwide fanbase. You see it with the trophy tours they put on whenever we win anything; these trophies are never seen in Wythenshawe, Altrincham, Stockport… if we’re lucky we’ve had one afternoon with them in the city centre store before they go on trips around the world for months on end. I’ve not seen a City presence in Wythenshawe in any way shape or form for fucking ages! You wouldn’t know City existed in Wythenshawe if you didn’t have a smartphone, tablet or laptop… and I bet that’s the case for many areas around our conurbation.

This strive for worldwide fans has lead to what’s going on in the stands and incidents like this yesterday. The constant increasing of ticket tout partners and number of tickets around the stadium where any Tom, Dick or Harry can purchase tickets in the City home ends (despite City’s own Ts&Cs stating that away fans cannot purchase tickets in the home stands… I know this because I’ve read them to the club over the phone when complaining about away fans in the home stands!) whether they’re City fans, daytrippers, neutrals or rabid supporters of the away team have seen many incidents flare up over recent years: Arsenal fans getting a pasting the other year because they goaded Blues in our own seats when Califiori scored, our biggest rivals United and Liverpool fans openly supporting their team even wearing colours without a care in the world, Liverpool fan getting a twatted in the South Stand last season…

A City fan got a pasting yesterday, but I’m telling you now something serious is going to happen soon. Someone is going to get seriously hurt in our ground, or worse! All the ingredients are there and all it takes is a bad fall after a scuffle and someone has permanent damage or could die. And it is all on the club and their ticketing initiatives. There are far too many away fans buying tickets in the home stands and hospitality sections. There should be none! as per their own Ts&Cs. The club will blame fans, ban fans, even out out a statement condemning fans’ behaviour… but it’ll be their fault!

And all this will just alienate even more proper core Blues who will get to a point of having enough of it all and will stop going to games.
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A lot of effort gone into that brilliant.

It's a bit early and I'm not "interupting my Cheerios" to read it all ;-)

A couple of things though,

I think it's more to do with people and society.

You can basically watch every game from home these days, if you know how.

A lot of people now won't do fuck all, they can't even be arsed going out for a takeaway, they get it delivered.

But as long as there are those "super shit big Clubs" taking fans from everyone else then the rest will always have to fight to attract and retain fans.

Munich are hated in Gernany by everyone who doesnt support them. A lot of their support will be from outside Munich.

The same with Rags and Dippers. Wankers traveling to support a team they have no affiliation to when they could easy support their home town team.

The fact of the matter is we are getting well over 50k about 25 times a season.

I bet we have played the most games for an English side over the last 10 years or so.

These wankers of other Clubs who call out a few empty seats at the Etihad probably attend about 2 cup games a season and nothing at Wembley.

We need to address the ticketing though, fuck off a lot of the restrictions.
 
Please be aware that its 2025 , we are now a brand and a working class lads culture is not on point.
 

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JASR said:
Until you have to upload a photo id - passport, driving licence - that also matches a Live phone Photo of you, then there are so many ways around the buying of tickets
Location IP - use a VPN
Address - use a relative/friend in UK
Credit card - as above

And I think there’s a large enough Turkish diaspora in the UK that’ll mean the number of potential Galatasaray fans, that would meet any simple uk fan criteria is vast - and of course they can buy tickets for anybody else as well.

The overwhelming use of bots, also blasts through any defensive ticket buying issues.
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I'm not saying its a perfect idea, but considering the current approach of "fuck it, who cares?" isn't exactly working, it's at least an improvement.

Until the club sacks off all official resale partners, we arent really going to see an improvement here.
 
mcfcbill91 said:
Unfortunately this sort of incident has been waiting to happen over the last 18 months. The club have created the ability for away fans to have easier access to home areas of the ground than City fans via their 'ticketing partners'

In fact if you wanted a ticket for yesterday you could just route your enquiry through seatpick (who aggregate livefootballtickets etc) and purchase one for £55. The ticket is yours to use as you wish. Whereas someone buying via City has to pay for a membership and then pay £58, so a cost of over £90.

All the hospitality areas were there too for less than City sell them for.

On instagram there's a constant barrage of adverts from Seat Unique, P1 Travel & livefootballtickets.


I see mentions of the membership requirement being dropped this week but it's too little too late - people want to plan ahead of time.

City have embarked on this short sighted 'dash for cash' scheme and managed to alienate long term fans to replace them with one & done football tourists, neutrals or worst of the lot - away supporters. Weekly the same clumps of seats are sat empty where a 'ticketing partner' hasn't been able to sell them, yet families of City fans in my block are split up as they can't buy two or three together from the club.

Ticketing policy is unfit for purpose and I fear the club are about to get a serious lesson from the new stand opening.
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Also as said previously the annual membership was on a 50% Black Friday deal

Which was a piss take for those proper fans who had already been forced to buy it at Full Price!!!
 
Soriano, Wilson etc you have wrecked the fanbase fabric of the club at our most successful time. You have sacrificed proper loyal fans and new younger fans and brought in the half and half tourists instead, and now the away fans are following in more and more numbers. The club will now never be what it was because of you, you shameless profit seeking fuckers, and next time Pep puts his hand to his ears requesting more vocal support perhaps you can tell him why, you shameful cunts
 
paulchapo said:
I really think that we must have the largest amount of piss heads in the premier league. Look at every home game and the stands are always less than half full when the teams come out as people are still pouring as much beer down their throats as humanly possible. Mind you that habit probably started in the bad old days when we were terrible on the pitch.
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Or the slowest bar staff
 
Indaparkside said:
I remember Sunderland bringing thousands 91/92 season some estimates were 15,000 upwards nearly as big as our York away
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Official away end then was much bigger than today's 3k capacity as away fans had the whole old Platt Lane stand and corner of Kippax. Sunderland brought a great following that day and dont recall any mither.
 
ysmsa said:
A lot of effort gone into that brilliant.

It's a bit early and I'm not "interupting my Cheerios" to read it all ;-)

A couple of things though,

I think it's more to do with people and society.

You can basically watch every game from home these days, if you know how.

A lot of people now won't do fuck all, they can't even be arsed going out for a takeaway, they get it delivered.

But as long as there are those "super shit big Clubs" taking fans from everyone else then the rest will always have to fight to attract and retain fans.

Munich are hated in Gernany by everyone who doesnt support them. A lot of their support will be from outside Munich.

The same with Rags and Dippers. Wankers traveling to support a team they have no affiliation to when they could easy support their home town team.

The fact of the matter is we are getting well over 50k about 25 times a season.

I bet we have played the most games for an English side over the last 10 years or so.

These wankers of other Clubs who call out a few empty seats at the Etihad probably attend about 2 cup games a season and nothing at Wembley.

We need to address the ticketing though, fuck off a lot of the restrictions.
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That’s why I used Bayern as the example, because they are a United/Liverpool type of club from their league but do look after their core fanbase.
 
City could solve this problem now by issuing season tickets to those in the waiting list. Half and half tourists don’t buy season tickets and nor do away fans, we’d have a better atmosphere in the ground and none of the problems the leeds cunts caused yesterday. The los in income would be minuscule compared to tv and commercial income. Do what you said you’d do Khaldoon, recognise the working class Manchester roots of our club
 
Axel Freed said:
Khaldoon’s job isn’t to micro manage every problem that arises from the course Soriano takes. His role is to leave him to it and trust him and maybe to step in at such a time as he can see that Soriano is going down the wrong path

He can surely have reasonably expected a competent CEO to be able to raise revenue in a booming sector without alienating huge chunks of the business’ customer base and creating situations where we’re one unlucky fall away from having the ground shut down. Guys in Soriano’s role should be sensitive to a whole myriad of scenarios that develop when tickets are sold via third party websites.

Maybe I’m wrong, maybe Khaldoon is as much aBtwbout only the bottom line as Soriano evidently is.
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You aren't wrong. It's pretty obvious.

I know all too well how executives can feed the Directors (capital D) with bullshit to keep them sweet, so I still have Khaldoon in my good books but his spider-senses should have been heightened by the protests last year. Another year of shit-awful fan engagement and I will be beginning to think Mansour and Khaldoon are happy with it.

I am not there yet, though, so, for me, Soriano is still very much the ****.

For the time being, I still think Mansour and Khaldoon are men of their word and that that is important to them in their part of the world. We will see soon enough, though, if there are more, visible protests.

More likely that the fanbase as a whole is old, fat and lazy, so that probably won't happen to the extent it should (and I said the protests should have continued after those of last season - momentum is a real thing in activism).
 
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