Joey Barton found guilty of sending offensive posts | Given suspended sentence

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Joey Barton meanwhile pled not guilty, he tried to defend his actions as innocent and failed which worsens his sentence. He also has a history of smashing people's heads in, putting cigars out in people's eyes, assaulting his wife, losing defamation cases and has been in prison before.

It therefore doesn't tell you anything, it tells us that actually Barton is very lucky and his sentence was arguably extremely lenient.

I’m not sure that a sentence of eighteen months, albeit suspended, when the statutory maximum is two years, could ever be properly characterised as extremely lenient.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Just saying someone is a pedo is not “inciting violence”. If you said “he’s a pedo and everyone should immediately find him and kick fuck out of him”, that would be.

I posited this question earlier in the thread, but I’d genuinely be interested in your view on it mate.

If someone went online and mocked the grieving parents of a small child that had died of cancer, do you believe that should escape criminal sanction?

 

[We've got Guardiola]

I’m not sure that a sentence of eighteen months, albeit suspended, when the statutory maximum is two years, could ever be properly characterised as extremely lenient.

The suspended part surely showed leniency?

Barton's current position as a political commentator and 'common sense' podcaster means that it is highly likely that he is going to reoffend and/or incite others to do the same thing.

He also pled not guilty so his belief was that he had done nothing wrong and he hasn't apologised.

 

[argyle]

He didn't just call him a paedo. It was more than that. The BBC reporting on the case said he wasn't convicted for his 'bike nonce' comment but was convicted for posts where he was actively calling on the public to harrass him as a paedophile, to call the police if they see him, etc.

He was found not guilty on a number of his posts so the jury wasn't just quick to find him guilty.

The stuff he was convicted on was bad enough to cross the high bar for a conviction.

The same for the posts he made to the two women pundits. What he said crossed the high bar for a conviction.

Anyone trying to paint him as some martyr for free speech is an idiot who is painfully unaware they're an idiot.

 

[DrBlueBob]

This is going to sound extremely trivial but it was a bit weird and intrigued me.

Barton arrived at court with a hold-all, this was pointed out on the BBC news, implying that he was expecting a custodial sentence. However when he walked out of court he was empty handed and there was no hold-all to be seen. It wasn’t being carried by anyone walking with him so did he donate it to the court service?



As I said trivial. :-)

He left it behind the desk as he'll be back before you know it.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I posited this question earlier in the thread, but I’d genuinely be interested in your view on it mate.

If someone went online and mocked the grieving parents of a small child that had died of cancer, do you believe that should escape criminal sanction?

That would be a seriously cuntish thing to do no doubt mate.

But imho mocking something shouldn’t be a criminal offence. The vast majority of stand up comedy revolves around mocking people. A lot of taking the piss out of mates revolves around mocking. A lot of football chants are about mocking people. We mock the rags and dippers incessantly on here.We wouldn’t expect people to be criminalised for any of these things.

You’d fall into the realm of basically saying it’s ok to mock some things but not others, which would be impossible to quantify and/or police.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

That would be a seriously cuntish thing to do no doubt mate.

But imho mocking something shouldn’t be a criminal offence. The vast majority of stand up comedy revolves around mocking people. A lot of taking the piss out of mates revolves around mocking. A lot of football chants are about mocking people. We mock the rags and dippers incessantly on here.We wouldn’t expect people to be criminalised for any of these things.

You’d fall into the realm of basically saying it’s ok to mock some things but not others, which would be impossible to quantify and/or police.

That’s a rational and cogent answer mate, even though I disagree.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The suspended part surely showed leniency?

Barton's current position as a political commentator and 'common sense' podcaster means that it is highly likely that he is going to reoffend and/or incite others to do the same thing.

He also pled not guilty so his belief was that he had done nothing wrong and he hasn't apologised.

I think the suspension of the sentence renders it to be arguably lenient but not extremely imo, although it’s just semantics tbf.

 

[Phil1]

I posited this question earlier in the thread, but I’d genuinely be interested in your view on it mate.

If someone went online and mocked the grieving parents of a small child that had died of cancer, do you believe that should escape criminal sanction?

They should be made to do the mocking in front of the person. Then said person should be allowed to smash their skull in without any criminal repercussion.

Imagine it would soon make some of the cunts think twice. :-)

 

[argyle]

That would be a seriously cuntish thing to do no doubt mate.

But imho mocking something shouldn’t be a criminal offence. The vast majority of stand up comedy revolves around mocking people. A lot of taking the piss out of mates revolves around mocking. A lot of football chants are about mocking people. We mock the rags and dippers incessantly on here.We wouldn’t expect people to be criminalised for any of these things.

You’d fall into the realm of basically saying it’s ok to mock some things but not others, which would be impossible to quantify and/or police.

Bartons defense tried to make the argument that it was banter.

The judge would have directed the jury if it could be seen as just an attempt at banter. Or jokes gone wrong.

Even if parts of the media make it seem you can't say anything these days, it's a high bar to reach to be convicted of grossly offensive messages.

So much of a high bar that the tweet that got all the headlines - Bike Nonce - he wasn't actually convicted over.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

Barton is a massive **** and the comments he made about Vine were disgraceful.

I am however surprised at how few tweets he was actually found guilty of.

Take Eni Aluko for instance. He compared her to Fred West and then said she was a DEI hire. If you do the maths and add those together there's 11 tweets just about her.

 

[We've got Guardiola]

That would be a seriously cuntish thing to do no doubt mate.

But imho mocking something shouldn’t be a criminal offence. The vast majority of stand up comedy revolves around mocking people. A lot of taking the piss out of mates revolves around mocking. A lot of football chants are about mocking people. We mock the rags and dippers incessantly on here.We wouldn’t expect people to be criminalised for any of these things.

You’d fall into the realm of basically saying it’s ok to mock some things but not others, which would be impossible to quantify and/or police.

Everyone hears nonsense in the pub but the point of that is it doesn't leave the pub and it's highly unlikely that you'd get done for it. It's a different matter for a public figure to make multiple very public and almost obsessive posts.

I'm pretty sure that Eni Aluko received horrendous abuse (including racist abuse) because of what Barton essentially instigated and encouraged. Did Barton apologise for that? No, so it can never just be banter.

Good sensibility tells us that there is a line and public figures need to be careful about crossing that line. He crossed that line, didn't apologise and then moaned because we should apparently allow a kind of free speech where people can be freely harrassed and abused in public. And with his history he was never going to get a free ride in sentencing.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Barton is a massive **** and the comments he made about Vine were disgraceful.

I am however surprised at how few tweets he was actually found guilty of.

Take Eni Aluko for instance. He compared her to Fred West and then said she was a DEI hire. If you do the maths and add those together there's 11 tweets just about her.

he was also constantly talking about her and slagging off on various podcasts.

 

[mosssideblue]

Barton is a gobshite who can’t help himself. He’ll be back at it soon enough.

 

[Stoned Rose]

That’s a rational and cogent answer mate, even though I disagree.

Appreciate that G. What’s your view mate?

 

[Stoned Rose]

he was also constantly talking about her and slagging off on various podcasts.

So what?

Go on the social media for someone like Katie Price or Kerry Katona. They get dogs abuse for everything they post.

How often do we call anyone even remotely related to the rags or dippers a **** on here?Should we criminalise all the hurtful posters?

People should be entitled to their opinion, even it’s a horrible one. For me, it becomes an issue if they incite others to be violent towards the individual.

Anything else is literally sticks and stones.

 

[wattle]

That would be a seriously cuntish thing to do no doubt mate.

But imho mocking something shouldn’t be a criminal offence. The vast majority of stand up comedy revolves around mocking people. A lot of taking the piss out of mates revolves around mocking. A lot of football chants are about mocking people. We mock the rags and dippers incessantly on here.We wouldn’t expect people to be criminalised for any of these things.

You’d fall into the realm of basically saying it’s ok to mock some things but not others, which would be impossible to quantify and/or police.

That's a very good point. You would be an utter scum of the earth **** for doing it, but it wouldn’t be criminal.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Just saying someone is a pedo is not “inciting violence”. If you said “he’s a pedo and everyone should immediately find him and kick fuck out of him”, that would be.

Paedo!

 

[Stoned Rose]

Paedo!

Just ringing 999.

15 years in HMP for you, you ****.

;)

 

[The blue phantom]

Can you imagine if nothing whatsoever happened and the judge just said. "Case dismissed no charges Joey of you go"

Social media is already a fuckin cesspit but what would it be like with no consequences at all?