President Trump

Could be the quickest way to make Ukraine surrender everything.
depends how europe responds, at the moment we, the french and the germans are making the right noises, as are the Poles. Lets see what happens if the yanks do bail

Also, shitgibbon now blaming europe for not ending the war he was going to end on day 1 of his presidency
 
depends how europe responds, at the moment we, the french and the germans are making the right noises, as are the Poles. Lets see what happens if the yanks do bail

Also, shitgibbon now blaming europe for not ending the war he was going to end on day 1 of his presidency

indeed - hence 'could'.

I guess we'll find out how fast Europe has advanced plans for production.
 
The policies towards other countries always seem extreme so as to then get something in return for not implementing them.

Most of the world seems too weak to tell this American government to get fucked.

 
You are advancing two, mutually exclusive arguments.

The first is that Europe needs to do more. I agree.

The second is that Europe should continue with the alliance whilst Trump (and presumably any of his succeeding acolytes) are in power. How do you see Europe approaching and managing that alliance in those circumstances?
Are they mutually exclusive? European powers have always had some power to act independently outside the NATO umbrella. France continues to have military entanglements in Africa, for example. If Europe wanted to put their weight behind Ukraine and support a harder line there's not much the Trump people could do that they haven't already done. I'm sure there would be tantrums but the draft defense bill restricts his ability to draw down Europe-based troop levels.

Right now they seem to be content letting Trump take the lead on negotiations and the resultant heat, which is politically convenient for them but not helpful to Ukraine.
 
Have we not got past the cut-off date for the peado files to be released yet?

It was all over the news that the vote was to make them public and that there was a date trumpy had to do it by to comply.
It's 11 days since they were given a 30 day order to release the files. 19th December is the cut off date.
 

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