When will a decent film be made again?

Hollywood has a lot to answer for - they seem to take fewer and fewer risks in terms of original content, just churning out films for the same tired old franchises, more DC/marvel tie-ins for emotionally retarded spotty teenagers etc.

I watched a Christmas film with my kids recently, The Red One, with The Rock. Fairly trashy but mildly entertaining for kids. I assumed it was just some low-budget Christmas cash-in but then i looked at the budget on IMDB. $250M ?!! $50M of that was for The Rock alone. Then you compared that to a film like Godzilla Minus One which had a budget of $15M.

Horror seems to be the only genre that's thriving - helps that the lesser known your cast the more effective the film can be, doesn't require massive budgets. Enjoyed Weapons, Bring Her Back, Together, The Ugly Stepsister to name but a few, this year.
 
jimharri said:
It is a very good film. Murphy is excellent as Oppenheimer. My only issue is that it is a bit too long. The second half of the film, after the Trinity test, when he's facing the inquiry into his political affiliations, tends to drag on a bit.
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It didn't drag for me. I thought those scenes were gripping.
 
Saudi want to get involved with Cinema from what I read a few months back.

They have caused controversy with some of the sporting projects, but they have an opportunity with film to take it back to it what it should truly represent as an art form.

Bring back the epic, the thriller, drama, rom-com. Evoke real emotion with the pictures.

People are getting tired with now in my opinion of the mass influx of fantasy, superhero and overall remakes or sequels to films made 30 years ago.

Invest in the up and coming directors, scriptwriters, producers and young acting talent.

Hollywood is very reminiscent of the music industry at the moment where there seems to be a set in-house roundabout of directors, actors and scriptwriters because the production companies need guarantees of their investments so go with the tried and tested rather than taking risks with new projects where they will inevitably lose a level of control.
 
I get your point, it's very much quantity over quality these days.

That being said, this year has been bountiful for films. Sinners, Weapons, and One Battle After Another were all brilliant. And Del Toro's Frankenstein rounded off the year finely.
 
Blue and true said:
I get your point, it's very much quantity over quality these days.

That being said, this year has been bountiful for films. Sinners, Weapons, and One Battle After Another were all brilliant. And Del Toro's Frankenstein rounded off the year finely.
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I respect your view and this type of thing is very subjective, but I was really disappointed by all of them. Especially 'One Battle' which I'd really been looking forward to.

The Sound of Music and It's a Wonderful Life thankfully saved my Xmas!
 
Just watched Guillermo Del Torro's Frankenstein. It was as usual with his films, really well made with beautiful cinematography. I liked it. Quite poignant and the 'monster' very nicely realised. Its a 'good' film and released this year.
 
Why do all the crime, spy, films look more like Singing in the Rain with Gene Kelly.
Every so called fight, one against 22, turns into a dance contest where despite being hit multiple times, he suffers no injuries and wins.
Despite him having no gun or weapon he beats an army of MMA attackers.

Boring.
 
Gorbachev said:
Saudi want to get involved with Cinema from what I read a few months back.

They have caused controversy with some of the sporting projects, but they have an opportunity with film to take it back to it what it should truly represent as an art form.

Bring back the epic, the thriller, drama, rom-com. Evoke real emotion with the pictures.

People are getting tired with now in my opinion of the mass influx of fantasy, superhero and overall remakes or sequels to films made 30 years ago.

Invest in the up and coming directors, scriptwriters, producers and young acting talent.

Hollywood is very reminiscent of the music industry at the moment where there seems to be a set in-house roundabout of directors, actors and scriptwriters because the production companies need guarantees of their investments so go with the tried and tested rather than taking risks with new projects where they will inevitably lose a level of control.
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The Saudi's and a form of expressive art... A match made in heaven for sure.
 
Been some absolute bangers in the last 20 years. Here's some favourites -

There will be Blood
No Country for Old Men
Inglorious Basterds
Parasite
Dune 1 & 2
Arrival
Mad Max: Fury Road
1917
Hell or Highwater
The Martian
Inception
Interstellar
The Wolf of Wall Street
District 9
Drive
The Prestige
Hot Fuzz
Baby Driver
 
Elbow beards said:
Interstellar.


Close thread.
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11 years old now.

Unfortunately, no-one goes to the cinema these days, so we're stuck in a vicious cycle of film companies (in Hollywood in particular) being incredibly risk averse and only making things that people already know because it's easier to market, and then audiences being bored with the same thing and staying away.

The key to me is to consider how many obviously talented directors are trusted with a big budget for something genuinely original. Greta Gerwig had a great track record with low and mid-budget films, but could only be trusted with a big budget film if it was attached to a pre-existing IP in Barbie. Edgar Wright has spent ages making critically and commercially successful movies at the low and mid-budget, so what's his big-budget reward? He gets to direct a remake of the Running Man?

It didn't use to be like that. Steven Spielberg had a huge hit with Jaws. Then Close Encounters. Then Raiders of the Lost Ark. Then E.T. Then Jurassic Park. Every few years, he would be given a big budget to shoot another blockbuster based on an original idea. And sure, he agreed to the odd sequel, but he created so many franchises that the studios could milk for years afterwards (hell, we're still getting Jurassic Park shit now). These days, I feel like it's only Christopher Nolan that is actually still given the budget to do huge things without it needing to be a pre-existing franchise of some kind.
 
Blue and true said:
I get your point, it's very much quantity over quality these days.

That being said, this year has been bountiful for films. Sinners, Weapons, and One Battle After Another were all brilliant. And Del Toro's Frankenstein rounded off the year finely.
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I didn’t even finish the Frankenstein film, it was so slow and boring.
 
I think the UK film industry is still making some very good films - The Duke, The Great Escapist, Banshees Of Inisherin, and Hollywood occasionally gives us a Seven Psychopaths, Ford vs Ferrari or Once Upon a Time in Hollywood; but I think film makers seem to want to rely on remakes and sequels.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
11 years old now.

Unfortunately, no-one goes to the cinema these days, so we're stuck in a vicious cycle of film companies (in Hollywood in particular) being incredibly risk averse and only making things that people already know because it's easier to market, and then audiences being bored with the same thing and staying away.

The key to me is to consider how many obviously talented directors are trusted with a big budget for something genuinely original. Greta Gerwig had a great track record with low and mid-budget films, but could only be trusted with a big budget film if it was attached to a pre-existing IP in Barbie. Edgar Wright has spent ages making critically and commercially successful movies at the low and mid-budget, so what's his big-budget reward? He gets to direct a remake of the Running Man?

It didn't use to be like that. Steven Spielberg had a huge hit with Jaws. Then Close Encounters. Then Raiders of the Lost Ark. Then E.T. Then Jurassic Park. Every few years, he would be given a big budget to shoot another blockbuster based on an original idea. And sure, he agreed to the odd sequel, but he created so many franchises that the studios could milk for years afterwards (hell, we're still getting Jurassic Park shit now). These days, I feel like it's only Christopher Nolan that is actually still given the budget to do huge things without it needing to be a pre-existing franchise of some kind.
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Think the film studios are banking on a resurgence of people going back to the cinema in 2026. There are some huge moives coming out. All of these will break $1B at the box office or get close.

Dune Part 3
The Odyssey
Toy Story 5
Avengers: Doomsday
Spiderman: Brand New Day
Super Mario Galaxy Movie

Then you've got stuff like this which will probably be hits

The Devil Wears Prada 2
He-Man And The Masters Of The Universe
Michael(Michael Jackson biography)
Supergirl
Jumanji 3
Mega Minions
28 Years Later: The Bone Temple
 
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