The Album Review Club - Week #216 (page 1412) - Together Alone - Crowded House

I can see why most of my selections don’t do well now. I’m definitely out of sync with most people on here.
I’ve always thought your taste was a bit narrower than mine, but there’s nothing wrong with that at all — I’m older than you :). We all have genres and time zones that ring our chimes and others that don’t. The fact that I didn’t think you’d like this (and knew you would like the Screaming Blue Messiahs) is because you’ve very confidently declared what makes great music for you. That’s a good thing! Given the early reviews, maybe I misread the rest of the room though.

And in this case, as I wrote, it’s as much the lyrics that I love as the notes — and that’s because I’m extraordinarily “meta” when it comes to music. I’m also an enormous proponent of “write what you know” as both an English major and a guy who wrote for a living for the bulk of my professional life.
 
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On another note, the New York Times just published a list of the 30 Greatest American songwriters and, wow, is it raising the hackles of folks. A good third of the list is hip-hop/rap and there are effectively zero new wave/alt artists at all. No Fagan/Becker, no Randy Newman, no Billy Joel (I’d argue that’s good), no John Fogerty, no Tom Waits, no David Byrne, no Prince, no Lou Reed, no Mould/Hart, etc. Dylan, Springsteen, Nelson, Wonder and Simon are on there but so is fucking Lionel Richie (come on now). Anyway, worth a look if you’re up for getting indignant about something today.
 
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I really wouldn't worry. If I just select a random sample of some of the artists that people have picked who didn't even get close to 7/10, like Richard Thompson, Portishead, Sly & The Family Stone, Plant and Krauss or Alison Moorer for example; it's apparent that the taste on this thread is definitely dodgy.

Unrelated, anyone know if Bimbo is ok? Hope so.
I’m not worried, it’s a badge of honour!

I have no idea what’s happened to Bimbo. I’ve noted his absence a few times recently. I’m hoping him and BlueHammer and OutOnBlue6 are all OK.
 
On another note, the New York Times just published a list of the 30 Greatest American songwriters and, wow, is it raising the hackles of folks. A good third of the list is hip-hop/rap and there are effectively zero new wave/alt artists at all. No Fagan/Becker, no Randy Newman, no Billy Joel (I’d argue that’s good), no John Fogerty, no Tom Waits, no David Byrne, no Prince, no Lou Reed, no Mould/Hart, etc. Dylan, Springsteen, Nelson, Wonder and Simon are on there but so is fucking Lionel Richie (come on now). Anyway, worth a look if you’re up for getting indignant about something today.
OutKast and Mariah Carey :) Surely this is not a serious list?
 
OutKast and Mariah Carey :) Surely this is not a serious list?
It’s kinda weak IMO. “Greatest” confused with “wrote a lot of pop hits” far too often. And too much hip hop, said as an older white guy, but I think I’d say it as an objective, comprehen critic who started with Elvis and finished with last night too. The Lionel Ritchie pick is horrible. Meantime I am waiting to tee off and the music on the clubhouse speaker (welcome to American golf) is Steely Dan’s “Black Friday.”
 
Good to see some folks like this album but Vee Vee ain’t for me.

The lyrics Foggy reproduced look moderately amusing but I missed them when listening, distracted as I was by the tuneless nature of the vocals.

Being raw and unpolished can work, sometimes, but often sounds amateurish or unfinished and I am afraid this doesn’t work for me.

I was amused by the fact that the penultimate track is called “The Worst Has Yet to Come" because the final track “Underachievers March and Fight Song" made that prophecy come true in spades; it compounded the damage by featuring one of those stupid silent stretches beloved of 90’s cd’s that I fucking hate before demonstrating a short burst of musical incompetence.

I didn’t hate the album but have no interest in hearing it again. 4/10.
 
Vee Vee – Archers of Loaf

This was certainly an interesting listen. “Step into the Light” is a slow, but tuneful dirge with some backing harmonies. The lead vocals later on certainly point the way to that “can’t be arsed” quality that features on later songs.

“Harnessed in Slums” is reasonably melodic and has a good driving rhythm with a vocal style that I’d describe as “combative punk”. "Nevermind the Enemy" again has good drive but this time, the vocals are more whiny punk. There are some nice chord changes though.

“Underdogs of Nipomo” is energetic and starts with a suitably gnarly guitar intro. I liked this. Can hardly hear what he’s singing about, but the energy and guitar are great and there’s a decent riff to kick-off “Let the Loser Melt”,

The rap vocals spoil “Nostalgia” and “The Worst is yet to come” and ““Underachievers …” are pretty poor songs due to their lack of focus.

Do I hate this as Foggy suggested I would? Of course not, it passed the “real band with real instruments” and is fairly straightforward in its approach. I think there are enough riffs to keep most rock fans happy.

But what I don’t like about the album is its awful production. First of all, on some songs, it sounds like Eric Bachmann is bellowing into the mic but standing about 5 feet away from it. Then there’s the arsing about from time-to-time, where one band member or another sounds like he just dicking about on the guitar trying things out between takes. @OB1 is right when he says that this sounds amateurish. Finally, the whole thing sounds like it’s been recorded with the dynamic range of a hamster’s whisker. Does an album recorded in the mid-90s have to sound this bad? With a decent producer such as Butch Vig or Gil Norton, they could have had a much better sounding record. Whatever you think about Nirvana’s Nevermind, and although I like it, I still think that at least a third of it is shouty old rubbish, the production is near faultless. You can hear Kurt Cobain attacking the vocals and the loud-quiet-loud guitar sound is handled brilliantly. That, as much as the songs themselves, is why this album caught a massive wave with fans and critics alike. Archers of Loaf sound just a bit too ramshackle here.

I don’t know a huge amount about the American alternative scene, but I’d take the more melodic Soul Asylum or The Lemonheads over the Loaf. I thought there was a fantastic buzzy guitar song to finish things off but alas, it was Sugar on autoplay. I decided to keep listening and Superchunk came on a bit later and I know Foggy likes both of these bands. I think there is enough on Vee Vee to like, as well as some tracks of questionable quality. There are some interesting guitar parts, but too many poor songs and poor production so it’s a 5/10.
 
Vee Vee – Archers of Loaf

This was certainly an interesting listen. “Step into the Light” is a slow, but tuneful dirge with some backing harmonies. The lead vocals later on certainly point the way to that “can’t be arsed” quality that features on later songs.

“Harnessed in Slums” is reasonably melodic and has a good driving rhythm with a vocal style that I’d describe as “combative punk”. "Nevermind the Enemy" again has good drive but this time, the vocals are more whiny punk. There are some nice chord changes though.

“Underdogs of Nipomo” is energetic and starts with a suitably gnarly guitar intro. I liked this. Can hardly hear what he’s singing about, but the energy and guitar are great and there’s a decent riff to kick-off “Let the Loser Melt”,

The rap vocals spoil “Nostalgia” and “The Worst is yet to come” and ““Underachievers …” are pretty poor songs due to their lack of focus.

Do I hate this as Foggy suggested I would? Of course not, it passed the “real band with real instruments” and is fairly straightforward in its approach. I think there are enough riffs to keep most rock fans happy.

But what I don’t like about the album is its awful production. First of all, on some songs, it sounds like Eric Bachmann is bellowing into the mic but standing about 5 feet away from it. Then there’s the arsing about from time-to-time, where one band member or another sounds like he just dicking about on the guitar trying things out between takes. @OB1 is right when he says that this sounds amateurish. Finally, the whole thing sounds like it’s been recorded with the dynamic range of a hamster’s whisker. Does an album recorded in the mid-90s have to sound this bad? With a decent producer such as Butch Vig or Gil Norton, they could have had a much better sounding record. Whatever you think about Nirvana’s Nevermind, and although I like it, I still think that at least a third of it is shouty old rubbish, the production is near faultless. You can hear Kurt Cobain attacking the vocals and the loud-quiet-loud guitar sound is handled brilliantly. That, as much as the songs themselves, is why this album caught a massive wave with fans and critics alike. Archers of Loaf sound just a bit too ramshackle here.

I don’t know a huge amount about the American alternative scene, but I’d take the more melodic Soul Asylum or The Lemonheads over the Loaf. I thought there was a fantastic buzzy guitar song to finish things off but alas, it was Sugar on autoplay. I decided to keep listening and Superchunk came on a bit later and I know Foggy likes both of these bands. I think there is enough on Vee Vee to like, as well as some tracks of questionable quality. There are some interesting guitar parts, but too many poor songs and poor production so it’s a 5/10.
This is certainly a better reaction than I thought I’d get and I’m glad at least you found a few bits to enjoy. I hear you on the production side, and there’s plenty of cleanly produced things I love as well. But just as I love how crystalline Bob Mould’s guitar in Sugar sounds, I also love how muddy his guitar sounds on Husker Du’s Zen Arcade and New Day Rising, though plenty complained about the production on those records. Speaking of Sugar, they’ve reunited and just kicked off a tour — I’ll be seeing them in September.
 
I'm off to Bristol for my annual visit in a few weeks and just seen that Sugar are on while I'm there. Not familiar with them but might give myself a crash course and see if it's worth tracking down a ticket. Last time I was in Bristol I saw Love aka Baby Lemonade plus Johnny Echols
 
The first time I listened to this I was put in mind of the oft heard phrase "the difficult second album". Not that this fell into this category, it seems it was as well received as their debut. No, it was more in anticipation of my difficult second listen (and as it turns out third and fourth).

I'm not one to complain about poor production values and amateurish playing, I could hardly do that having given this thread the Fall and the Blue Orchids and probably been one of the few to enjoy the Incredible String Band and Eyeless in Gaza back in the day. so, no reason why this shouldn't hold some appeal. But, and having telegraphed the twist I have to say that I got little out of it. From the mildly uninteresting Step Into the Light to the pretty irksome Nostalgia there was nothing particularly memorable.

Interestingly The Worst is Yet to Come sounded, musically at least, like the Fall. But we know the Fall were capable of some dross as well as some great stuff. The line about the worst is yet to come has already been taken in respect of the album closer so I'll make the next obvious jibe that the silence at the end of that track before the final insult of noise was by far the most listenable part of the album.

Also interestingly, I had this on in the car when I picked my son up to take on an errand and having told him that it was this week's pick and nothing else he offered that it "sounds like a rubbish Pavement".

I've listened to Pavement before but had to refresh my memory and did indeed find it an easier and more satisfying listen. I mentioned to my son that some people preferred Archers of Loaf to Pavement and he said they can fuck all the way off with that shit. Or something like that. It doesn't have to be either or though and to be fair my usual half arsed research led me to believe that both are revered by their respective and in some cases mutual fans.

Coatigan said that if he'd heard this when he was younger he might have enjoyed it more and the same may be true for me. It worried me (a little) that I'm becoming more conservative and middle of the road in my musical tastes but had to remind myself there is some very satisfying lo fi, amateurish and wilfully shambolic music out there that I still listen to. After reassuring myself by giving a good old listen to the Clean while cooking tea I felt, well sort of musically cleansed.

I may have laid it on a bit but really I didn't like this. Before Foggy posted this album I had confidently and completely wrongly predicted that I knew what was coming in the "not many will like this but you're going to have to listen to it anyway" stakes. I had my money on the Gang of Four and was ready to reacquaint myself with them and dish out the plaudits. It's not Archers of Loaf's fault that they aren't the Gang of Four and neither they nor as he said in his write up will Foggy care but for me this is a rare, possibly first time ever 4
 
I'm off to Bristol for my annual visit in a few weeks and just seen that Sugar are on while I'm there. Not familiar with them but might give myself a crash course and see if it's worth tracking down a ticket. Last time I was in Bristol I saw Love aka Baby Lemonade plus Johnny Echols

Saw them at Band on the Wall a couple of weeks back. The Baby Lemonade lads are no longer the fresh faced kids they were 20 years ago. Where does the time go? It's a shame their live album was recorded in the US, good stuff but not as good an atmosphere and no football chants of Johnny F******g Echols.
 
Saw them at Band on the Wall a couple of weeks back. The Baby Lemonade lads are no longer the fresh faced kids they were 20 years ago. Where does the time go? It's a shame their live album was recorded in the US, good stuff but not as good an atmosphere and no football chants of Johnny F******g Echols.
Bugger didn't know they were on or would have gone to that. I get notifications for most venues but not BotW
 
VEE VEE ARCHERS OF LOAF

I’m sure I’ve heard of this band but can’t remember hearing anything by them although it could’ve been in a movie.
Anways as Foggy says there’s a definite Replacements influence in some tracks and I’m a big Mats fan, although Eric Bachmann is no Paul Westerberg.On some tracks his voice reminds me of Craig Finn from The Hold Steady ,which again is no bad thing.
All in all it was a fun record with some amusing lyrics and some good riffs.
An album to be played loud while driving.

Great choice and I will endeavour to listen to some more of their stuff.

7.5/10
 
Bugger didn't know they were on or would have gone to that. I get notifications for most venues but not BotW

Fingers crossed they'll be back sooner rather than later and that Mr Echols keeps going.

A few days before Sugar play at the Electric in Bristol, Tinariwen who we've reviewed on here are playing there too.
 
This offering has received a lot more than the standard 3 listens and it will most certainly cause me to listen to some more of their work when I get a chance.
Ramshackle, poor production, slackerish are all things I perhaps have to agree with, but combined with that punkish attitude and not taking itself/themselves too seriously, I loved it.
Some nice guitars and interesting lyrics were indeed helped by having the volume up in the car, although Mrs IO wasnt too impressed.
I also went back and had a listen to "Slanted & Enchanted" which I hadnt for quite a while, perhaps inspired by the repeated references to them by others.
It could perhaps have been trimmed a little as the quality at the end was dropping, but still a thoroughly great new listen for me.
Its an 8 from the Derry jury...Thanks Foggy
 
VEE VEE ARCHERS OF LOAF

I’m sure I’ve heard of this band but can’t remember hearing anything by them although it could’ve been in a movie.
Anways as Foggy says there’s a definite Replacements influence in some tracks and I’m a big Mats fan, although Eric Bachmann is no Paul Westerberg.On some tracks his voice reminds me of Craig Finn from The Hold Steady ,which again is no bad thing.
All in all it was a fun record with some amusing lyrics and some good riffs.
An album to be played loud while driving.

Great choice and I will endeavour to listen to some more of their stuff.

7.5/10
Full circle, since they’ve come up in this convo — Craig Finn was a guest vocalist at the first Sugar reunion show in NYC this past weekend.
 

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