Makerfield By - Election. Burnham v Reform

So if Burnham was to win and went after the big job would that then trigger another by election and if he doesn’t win goes back to his Mayors gig?
What a farce.

It’s like me saying to my boss
“I’ve got an interview with another company but don’t worry boss, I’m not staying there long anyway as there’s a better job I’m after.
But if I don’t get the job I’ll be back here as normal giving my all.
Any chance of a reference boss?”

My feet wouldn’t touch the fucking floor ffs.

Great work if you can get it!
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
This Reform chap is neither a politician, nor one for the people. He’s has no real communication skills and is trying to work a script into his perceived anger.

Sound bite politics, just what is not needed at this point.
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Sadly, the short vids on social media created by people living in Bali are giving a false narrative that people are believing. Turning Point UK, which will probably be donating to Farage via crypto as well, posted a video yesterday with a picture of Henry Nowak with Charlie Kirk, which said white lives matter. This slop gets through to people, and we're seeing the same cult following as Trump is getting in the US.

Farage's hate speech was full of US terms that don't apply to the UK. Bannon playbook all over it.

IF they get in power, imagine what they'll do in parliament with "impartial" Speaker of the House 30p Lee in charge?
 
yeseye said:
So if Burnham was to win and went after the big job would that then trigger another by election and if he doesn’t win goes back to his Mayors gig?
What a farce.

It’s like me saying to my boss
“I’ve got an interview with another company but don’t worry boss, I’m not staying there long anyway as there’s a better job I’m after.
But if I don’t get the job I’ll be back here as normal giving my all.
Any chance of a reference boss?”

My feet wouldn’t touch the fucking floor ffs.

Great work if you can get it!
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No it wouldn’t trigger a by-election.
 
Heartofoakes64 said:
I get what you are saying, but surely our vicious tax system is exacerbating the situation.The tax burden, when you take into account indirect taxation is the highest on “working people” since the war. The freezing of the personal allowance first implemented by the useless Tories has been extended by this shower until 2030. Nearly everything people buy qualifies for VAT, this kind of tax hits the lower paid because it represents a larger percentage of their spending power. We need a radical rethink on all this, anybody thinking body bags Burnham can deliver is delusional.
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Don't disagree we need a huge revisit and rebalancing of the tax burden and I can't really think of any capable politicians who are obviously up for it. At the moment though we're so hopelessly divided as a population that even if they were out there, could people put aside their tribalism to give them the kind of mandate they'd need for what would be an incredibly difficult task?
 
threespires said:
Don't disagree we need a huge revisit and rebalancing of the tax burden and I can't really think of any capable politicians who are obviously up for it. At the moment though we're so hopelessly divided as a population that even if they were out there, could people put aside their tribalism to give them the kind of mandate they'd need for what would be an incredibly difficult task?
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Starmer has a super majority and had the gift of transformational change because of it. Burnham will inherit it.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
Yeah, I know. Fact is though labour have a humungous majority and so their capacity to entirely transform the country is baked in within Westminster
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The problem has always been the “establishment” which has so much power the actual Government has only certain parameters with which to discharge their policies
 
Heartofoakes64 said:
The problem has always been the “establishment” which has so much power the actual Government has only certain parameters with which to discharge their policies
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What you describe as 'the establishment' is essentially the global economic and political realities which constrain any government and over which it has little if any control. The decades of decline in living standards in this country mirrors that in most of the western democracies as the world population grows, migrates and competes for resources.
Our salvation should be to create a taxation system which enables us to become largely self sufficient in energy and food production while ensuring the security of key utilities and our borders, which as a resource rich island we are better placed to do than most middle-sized states. A big job for somebody but I doubt it will be Andy Burnham despite his latest enthusiasm for a programme resembling parts of this set out in an extended interview Newsnight tonight.
 
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yeseye said:
So if Burnham was to win and went after the big job would that then trigger another by election
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The Prime Minister is an MP. Starmer is the MP for Holborn and St Pancras.

If Burnham wins his seat here, and then a Labour leadership contest than the MP for Makerfield would be the Prime Minister.

The only thing him becoming PM would trigger would be a mayoral election as he can’t be Mayor and PM. He could in theory keep the mayorship while being an MP but in all reality won’t.

So there’ll be 1 byelection and if Burnham wins that, a Mayoral election in Manchester.

So to use your analogy it’s just like interviewing for a new job while holding one, but if he gets the new job, he’ll also apply for a promotion immediately.
 
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Heartofoakes64 said:
No, I was just saying to underestimate Farage could be regrettable. All of them are shite (politicians)
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I think Tice has much greater tactical acumen and has a far superior intellect to Farage. Farage is reckless, although as we saw with Brexit, a recklessness that can sometimes bear fruit. I think he’s now getting found out. This £5m is absolutely fucking outrageous.

I suspect their relationships with Trump will come back to haunt both of them.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Catching up on Question Time and The green candidate just came across as a sneery twat.
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I wonder if they’ve deliberately put a poor (or not exceptional as they would see it) candidate up. Certainly they were never going to win that seat and why waste a good card in those circumstances? They will be mindful of the need to cherry pick candidates if they are going to get more than 75 seats at the next GE, which I think is plausible. Wonder as well whether they think Burnham is more likely to enter a coalition with them than Starmer.

Reform, on the other hand had a real chance of winning this seat which I’d say has all but completely evaporated now with their appalling choice of candidate. It’s one thing having some historical online views to weigh you down, but it’s entirely another to not have the intellectual means to remotely navigate your way through it, the refusal to apologise to Vorderman being a case in point.

I think they’ve (correctly) read that a non-career politician had a good chance against Burnham but have focussed entirely on that as well as the fact that Kenyon is a local person and a local councillor without stepping back and asking how he will present himself in the spotlight of a campaign like this where he is completely and utterly out of his depth to the extent I almost feel sorry for him.

I do wonder if Burnham’s choice of seat was driven by this, knowing what a weak link Kenyon was and that Reform would likely pick him because he’d stood previously.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Posted on the Farage thread, but it’s more apposite in here:

A heavyweight Reform candidate would have made this a fair fight.

Think Burnham has to be strong favourite now.
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They don’t have any heavy weights though, the grass roots of the party are people who are extremely dislikable because their brand of politics is about dividing and isolating people in society that they don’t like.

It’s telling the only way they can get seasoned political operators working for Reform is to hoover up the failed Tories who want to keep their political gravy train going.

When we do get to a general election though and the focus is more on the wider party’s manifestos rather than the actual candidates. Reform’s vetting of these people is non existent which means there will some truly reprehensible people picking up £100k a year mp salary who slip through the net.
 
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