Is there a red shirt cartel or are we just deluded?

blue_danube said:
I do think there's a favouritism from the media especially. .

But then you also have to remember that the rags and dippers have absolutely monstrous worldwide support. Probably a different stratosphere to us when it comes to fans across the world, so it's somewhat understandable that the media cater to the biggest supported teams.
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Monstrous worldwide support.??
Yeah ok mate
 
blue_danube said:
I do think there's a favouritism from the media especially. .

But then you also have to remember that the rags and dippers have absolutely monstrous worldwide support. Probably a different stratosphere to us when it comes to fans across the world, so it's somewhat understandable that the media cater to the biggest supported teams.
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This is somewhat of red herring (if you'll pardon the pun).

Just because something is well-known doesn't make it synonymous with success.

Most of the legacy rag fans that I come across have got no idea with what's going on in the premier league these days. They've lost interest.

People don't get behind clubs like the rags, Barcelona or Real Madrid because they're "big" clubs they just want to be part of something successful - which gives them a sense of purpose.

People who support the rags won't be deriving a sense of self-worth from following them.

The next ten to fifteen years will see further numbers dwindling amongst the rag fan contingencies and more and more City fans will start to emerge across the planet.

This trend will have a knock-on effect and we'll see a sea change in the way the British media report on these respective football clubs.

The owners and editors of the tabloids and broadsheets and the executives of the British broadcasting media outlets are not football fans, they're profit and wealth fans.

They'll happily get behind anyone or anything that will increase their bottom line.
 
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Of course there is a cartel where do you all think the PL came from.
Fuck all wrong with Div 1 2 3 4
Until Sky and Satellite TV came along and the Cartel dreamt up the concept of the PL reduced the number of teams in the League negotiated TV rights which still to this day favour the Cartel as best demonstrated last season with Rag coverage

What they thought was never going to happen was big investment from outside the League and TV for which they thought they had the monopoly on
The potential globalisation was too irresistible and the rest of us outside the cartel accepted this realising the so called big 4 were the main attraction and the rest of us would get a share of the pot once they’d creamed it


Russia and Chelsea fucked the model and then we destroyed it

From which up popped 115 charges
 
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Betterdeedthan red said:
Monstrous worldwide support.??
Yeah ok mate
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Yeah they do. Go all over Asia and Africa and see.

Even in the UK, pretty much anyone just doesn't support their local team supports one of these two. It is what it is.

I don't think it's ok that the media clearly show favouritism but the reality is all industries cater to what they think is their biggest demographic.
 
pauls said:
Always a mystery to me why this monstrous worldwide support the rags have never translates to the balance sheet ? The latest accounts suggested they are 1.3B in debt ?
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Well because a lot of their support is worldwide. Many from places where people can't afford to shell out extortionate prices for merchandise or fly to attend games.

Let's not be in denial here. Nobody is saying the likes of the rags are better than us, but they have far more "supporters" on a worldwide scale. It's just a fact.
 
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The red cartel works in the media. Ex-players are all over the media. Sports journalists who came up in their heyday are or were their supporters and now they work with them.

As for the clubs, legacy is their brand. Challenging their legacy is a challenge to their bottom line.
 
blue_danube said:
Well because a lot of their support is worldwide. Many from places where people can't afford to shell out extortionate prices for merchandise or fly to attend games.

Let's not be in denial here. Nobody is saying the likes of the rags are better than us, but they have far more "supporters" on a worldwide scale. It's just a fact.
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Carragher, Neville, Gerrard, McManaman, Rooney, Keane, Keown, Merson, Dixon.

Even Stephen fucking Warnock.

And that’s just off the top of my head, without thinking about it.

Our football coverage is infested with ex-red cartel players, all promoting and favouring their former team.
 
blue_danube said:
Yeah they do. Go all over Asia and Africa and see.

Even in the UK, pretty much anyone just doesn't support their local team supports one of these two. It is what it is.

I don't think it's ok that the media clearly show favouritism but the reality is all industries cater to what they think is their biggest demographic.
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I go to Africa twice a year

There's as many city shirts.
In fact more than rag shirts
 
Vienna_70 said:
Carragher, Neville, Gerrard, McManaman, Rooney, Keane, Keown, Merson, Dixon.

Even Stephen fucking Warnock.

And that’s just off the top of my head, without thinking about it.

Our football coverage is infested with ex-red cartel players, all promoting and favouring their former team.
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You missed the biggest example of a glory-hunting former player, now a pundit.
Dippy Dion Dublin played for a host of clubs (Cambridge Utd, Coventry, Aston Villa etc.).
Guess which team the BBC always associate him with ?
 
Platt Lane 59 said:
You missed the biggest example of a glory-hunting former player, now a pundit.
Dippy Dion Dublin played for a host of clubs (Cambridge Utd, Coventry, Aston Villa etc.).
Guess which team the BBC always associate him with ?
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Even though he hardly ever played for the first X!?
 
Platt Lane 59 said:
You missed the biggest example of a glory-hunting former player, now a pundit.
Dippy Dion Dublin played for a host of clubs (Cambridge Utd, Coventry, Aston Villa etc.).
Guess which team the BBC always associate him with
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You would think Dublin made hundreds of appearances for the rags,nope 12 times he played for them
 
blue_danube said:
I do think there's a favouritism from the media especially. .

But then you also have to remember that the rags and dippers have absolutely monstrous worldwide support. Probably a different stratosphere to us when it comes to fans across the world, so it's somewhat understandable that the media cater to the biggest supported teams.
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Sniff, sniff,sniff
 
blue_danube said:
Yeah they do. Go all over Asia and Africa and see.

Even in the UK, pretty much anyone just doesn't support their local team supports one of these two. It is what it is.

I don't think it's ok that the media clearly show favouritism but the reality is all industries cater to what they think is their biggest demographic.
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Where Red is considered a lucky colour and 83% of the shirts sold are counterfeit.
 
bigA said:
Been having an "interesting" discussion with some scouser who says that there is no such thing as a red cartel and we are just using that as an excuse for the 115 charges and acting as a deluded fan base.

Now who on here believes there is a red shirt cartel and who doesn't?
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He would say that wouldn't he, but it is a fact that the three red shirts had a meeting in New York to see 'what could be done' about City. Don't forget the Arsenal letterheaded letter. They are desperate to try fuck us over, so whether it's a cartel or not they are doing their worst to our club up.
 
Vienna_70 said:
Carragher, Neville, Gerrard, McManaman, Rooney, Keane, Keown, Merson, Dixon.

Even Stephen fucking Warnock.

And that’s just off the top of my head, without thinking about it.

Our football coverage is infested with ex-red cartel players, all promoting and favouring their former team.
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A lot of people forget that Everton were part of the original cartel clubs when the PL was first set up.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
A lot of people forget that Everton were part of the original cartel clubs when the PL was first set up.
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because everton soon realised they'd been mugged off. id guess first set of fixtures and only time they were on TV was getting beat by rags dippers and arsenal home and away
as all other smaller teams soon noticed
 
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