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    Middle East Conflict

    No idea. I don't have detailed reports at hand, but it was a 20 year occupation. Think about how crazy that sounds. Occupying another country for two decades. The initial stories around the invasion of Iraq was that Saddam has WMDs. But you'd think many of those that weren't killed by direct...
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    Let's extend that scenario a little further. Would it be acceptable to then go after and indiscriminately murder the killer's family, neighbours, friends, random families in the community he lives? I would still argue, in your scenario, it would be completely insane for the police to shoot...
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    Well I’m on the side of let’s not bomb innocent civilians into oblivion. 1.2 million Iraqi people died in the Iraq war. Do you think that’s an acceptable sacrifice to rid the world of ISIS? Because I think slaughtering that staggering number of people is infinitely worse than whatever barbarity...
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    Iraq was an illegal war. You cannot wipe out hundred of thousands of innocent lives in the name of fighting a terrorist group and then claim some kind of victory. That makes America and their allies the terrorists. It may have been successful in rendering a terrorist group ineffective but the...
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    I honestly do. I was shocked and sickened to the core when I saw what Hamas did on Oct 7, and I totally and completely agree with the bolded. Israel's right to exist cannot be questioned. The problem is since Oct 7 it's been a never ending, non-stop slaughter of innocent people, most of them...
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    Middle East Conflict

    Yes but at the cost of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives. That is not some strategic achievement to be proud of. Those are sick and repulsive war crimes and those who perpetuated them deserve to be dragged in front of the Hague.
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    That doesn't mean Israel should drop bombs indiscriminately and to hell with the consequences. If your house was being robbed, and the robber had already murdered your parents, and you called the police, and when they showed up the robber grabbed your missus and put a gun to her head, I'm sure...
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    I’m sorry but this is insanity. It’s like you’ve chosen every single pro IDF talking point and just repeated them in here ad nauseam
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    You call it war zone. I'd call it Israel indiscriminately bombing residential neighbourhoods, schools, hospitals murdering thousands and somehow justifying it with vague notions of collateral damage. So far over 3000 children have been callously murdered by Israel. I presume you consider them to...
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    I hope so, he is a war criminal who he tried before the Hague. The problem with your second sentence is that he is attempting to do that whilst murdering 7000 people, likely thousands more stuck under the rubble, so I'm having a hard time classifying that as a good thing.
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    I would argue for as long as Netanyahu and politicians who think like him remain in power there is equally nope of any political or economic solution here. They have no interest in peace and one could make the point that Hamas' existence is good for their political careers.
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    This is just IDF propaganda, I'm sorry. It's IDF talking points almost word for word. You are asking civilians, many of them physically and literally incapable of fleeing to flee and then you drop thousands of bombs on them and your response to their horrific deaths is 'oh well we told them to...
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    Middle East Conflict

    Also, it's not like Israel aren't dropping bombs in the south and the Rafah crossing, so to telling these civilians to flee the north because a bomb is coming is not the noble gesture that is being claimed, when Israel are bombing the shit out the very places they're telling civilians to flee to.
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    Even if there are innocent civilians there? Yeah that's barbaric. Asking sick people, disabled people, paralysed people, elderly people, children who literally can't move out of the way to move out of the way while Israel levels their homes, their entire neighbourhoods, murders entire families...
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    I'm sorry but this is nonsense. There are people in hospitals literally incapable of moving anywhere. There are elderly people, sick people, literal children whose parents are already dead and no idea what is going on or where to go. Israel can absolutely and should be held responsible for the...
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    Chelsea Thread - 2023/24

    Fair enough, I don't much about him. He does appear to be very highly rated among City fans, so looking forward to see what he's got when he gets his minutes.
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    Chelsea Thread - 2023/24

    Yeah that's fair enough, and I honestly think if it comes to that and the player is asking to leave, I'd rather let them leave, provided we can get a good fee for the player rather than force him to stay. I was gutted to lose Mount for example but once I knew he wasn't ever going to renew his...
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    Chelsea Thread - 2023/24

    If I was a City fan I’d be gutted to have let Palmer leave. Not only because he’s hit the ground running and shown his quality already but from a purely romantic perspective, he’s one of the better academy players give produced and I’d always want to keep HG players around, especially when...
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    Chelsea Thread - 2023/24

    Absolutely LOVE Palmer. He’s been incredible. I never expected this kind of quality this quickly. Fantastic signing. We should have beaten them today. Gutted to throw it away after being the better team for most of the game.

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