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You didn't say this 'you're gonna have to discount the goals and assists'? There is no contradiction either, WallyA said 'play the role differently'. The specific role so no adjusting for different roles.

If that's the case then why are you telling me we need to do something that I had said we need to do?

Oh ffs, of course you'd have to take his numbers at CM away, that's what I said. If you bothered to read it properly you'd be aware of that but like I said above you don't seem to read what others have said.

It's a nonsense comparison. Of course their statistics are going to differ depending on the role they play. The only way you could get a fair comparison is if you took Gundogan's numbers from games he played at DM and left out the numbers from when he's played at 8 and then even when you do that...

So you're comparing two players, one of which played exclusively in one position, the other that played in two different roles. Genius. Well done you. Fwiw I think most are in agreement that Fernandinho is better than him in the DM role for us, if you actually read what people said you'd...

Pointless @Dax777 he doesn't want to debate, he wants to dictate.

3 of our last 8 goals have come from set pieces. Stones and Aguero both missed free headers from set pieces last time out too.

I've seen signs of improvement. We scored a few from corners in our last few games. Stones should've done better with a header from a Gundogan cross following a corner against Southampton. Defensively I see no improvement.

Apologies if already posted

Oliver at the controls

Please Sir can I have some VAR

Of course. Everything is black and white with you, isn't it?

Fernandinho is good at it, if he were better at it though he wouldn't have to make as many tactical fouls as he does, he often has to do it because he's been caught out positionally.

Is that not shithousery? I'm not being critical if that's what you took from it, I loved it.

Just before Pep's shithousery with the ball and the Southampton coach they got a free kick, that freekick came from an aggressive Gundogan tackle that saw him booked.

There was no room in the middle. He was trying dinked balls over the top early on, he put a cross on Stones head that he really should've done better with, he had 6 efforts on goal. He wasn't great by any means yesterday but the will to get forward was always there.

It's weird, I can see what frustrates them, I get frustrated with him myself but don't get how they can't see what he brings.

Only Aguero had more attempts than him yesterday.

His passing, positional sense and intelligence, probably the best we have for controlling the tempo of a game.

Walker made the difference.