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This post is a good summary of the whole issue to do with APT. In my view, the only way APT rules can be lawfully applied if done so from here onwards rather than past 3 years. There will be too many complications even if historical shareholder loans were included. If that is the direction...

Given the amount of scrutiny city have had from the PL, I think PLs internal processes should be reviewed to see if all clubs receive the same amount of scrutiny or not? Theoretically the answer should be yes but it would be interesting to know.

I don’t think you need validation from me but I do think you’ve done well explaining legal issues on the forum relating to the 115 case and the apt case. I can also believe when you say you believe you’re defending a position you believe to be correct. But that’s also lawyers language for saying...

Minimal is beside the point though? As no one knows specifics of anyone’s potential loss. Also one minimal loss might not seem a big issues but several minimal losses could aggregate to a material loss.

The problem is not in making an educated guess but defending it when it’s proven not to be correct because it wasn’t fully taking into account all the information available to city’s legal team. And it’s not a problem for anyone else but himself because he appears to have put himself in a...

If the 4 clubs who voted against APT2 release statements that they’re now considering compensation claims against the PL in light of the tribunals verdict, does that create a problem/ pressure for the PL executives and the PL brand (regardless of whether those clubs follow through with the...

In the past, the clubs have reevaluated their existing sponsorship deals to a higher amount and signed a revised deal before the existing deal ran out. Is it possible that a club could have signed a revised deal at a higher value but couldn’t do so due to it being rejected initially under the...

Read quite a few posts from the most active legal mind on here and it seems City's legal team is working to a different level both in terms of knowledge and expertise. Not only that, City''s legal team seems to be working to a plan rather than a win on one set of rules only. A win, any win (null...

If a Zionist’s father told them anything against Israel at the moment I guess they would even go against their father and berate them. And to think the west use to call Muslims extremists.

Reading Simon cliffs letter published re: apt case, it read like: A) as there was an unlawful clause in the rules, the rules cannot be applied in current form and should be null And void. B) if the PL insisted on applying the rules with a revised clause (lawful and voted in favour by PL...

The way APT rules are unlawful due to shareholder loan exclusions, would the same apply to PSR and FFP and all those historic rules will be null and void ? We might not have challenged those rules in the APT case but this sets the precedent i guess and City can challenge the unlawful nature of...

It does not look like it.

I kind of covered the point in my post so not disagreeing with it. My point was money from RP or AP loans can’t just substitute turnover. It only helps by a very small amount (7%-8% of the overall loan amount per year over the last 1-2 years). Prior to that, it would be around 2.5% - 3%. So...

Agree with both.

Agree with this. The risks attached to this industry are relatively higher than other industries. Therefore, shareholder loans would most certainly have guarantees against tangible assets and most likely be spent on infrastructure projects. Sheikh Mansour has been shrewd, as you would expect...

Profitability is directly related to turnover. PSR being profitability and sustainability rules, is also related to turnover. Interest or financing costs (external or shareholder loans) are usually a small amount in a P&L even if a business is highly geared. In your example of arsenal saving...

Reading the thread, I have seen some posters say shareholder loans or equity can be used to spend money on players etc. But shareholder loans are not money earned (turnover) which is what the PSR is based on. Whilst the shareholder loans can help with cashflow or reduce some interest costs due...

Do you think schools who are already struggling will have the resources to go for international satellite partnerships? And if some of those 2600 did have the resources, do you think this could be done overnight?

So you would reduce the standards of fantastic education from a 100 to 50 by putting financial pressures on those schools, to bring the standards of terrible schools up from 20-50. Not sure if there is a net gain on the overall standards of education.

The Financial arguments in isolcation might seem that. But it is not a financial issue alone. It is kid's education and future. Cost benefit of overall financial revenue raised Vs negative impacts on kids education and their future. I am not sure if you can measure it in numbers but whatever way...